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		<title>By: Jarno</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jarno</dc:creator>
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		<description>Kudos! What a fantastic article. I need share this forward.

My track record:
1) Buy Olympus 510 with two kit lenses. Spend 700eur and think that wil buy great image quality. Buy cheap ($100), but sturdy tripod. 
2) Dissappointment in massive scale, especially on poor bokeh with kit-lenses and lack of High ISO to shoot indoors. 
3) Learn to understand what f-numbers and ISO really mean. Read a lot and field test the camera for hours by shooting the same subject with different apertures, timings and ISO. 
4) understand that DSLR is about SYSTEM (lock-in through lens investment) and that micro-four-thirds is not for a serious DSLR-photographer, neither are crop-sensors. Have to go full-frame
5) Buy Canon 5D with 16-35mm/2.8L and 50mm/1.4mm. Attach the 50mm lens, take few photos and cry out of euphoria. Near endless studies and  huge investment on cameras have bearen fruit. it is large aperture that matters.
6) buy 70-200mm/2.8L in the same buying spree
7) realize that 200mm on full frame is not really long. Buy2x extender and get disappointed on its quality
8) realize my tripod is too bulky. Buy compact travel-tripod. Usd 100, but works for me.
9) realize that changing lenses on a trip is burdensome. Buy 24-105mm/4L IS
10) Slowly drop carrying many lenses on trips, but 24-105mm only
11) upgrade to 5DII and enjoy the high ISO performance. Drop carrying flash  often
12) buy Sigma 180mm/3.5 macro + Canon ring flash. Save some money by not buying the twin-flash. 
13) Take wonderful macro photos, mostly hand-held.
14) Go crazy into macro and by MP-E65. Realize that the lens is useless without twin-flash (ring flash does not get close enough), electronic focus rail and HelioFocus stacking SW. 
15) Move into a country with limited macro opportunities. Put further macro investment on hold
16) Buy 85mm 1.4f prime. Good lens, but does not zoom close enough. Bit limited usage, but good addition to portfolio
17) Realize minimal usage of 16-35mm until I got. Baby. Close-ups with 35mm works well.
18) Considering to upgrade the 
- 180mm macro to new Sigma 2.8/IS. Maybe go for 150mm to save some money (and re-use he ring flash)
- get the twin-macro flash, electric focus rail and heliofocus
- get 35mm/1.4 prime (for the baby photos, of course)
- upgrade 70-200/2.8IS to new version
- get either Mirroless or second DSLR to avoid lens switching on the road
- ... some day, some day

Had I known what I know now, I had started with 24-105/4L and 50mm/1.4 and skipped the 16-35/2.8 and MP-E65 (until I have budget for the full set). Although I think the 16-35/2.8 will turn out to be a great lens once I learn to us wide-angle properly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kudos! What a fantastic article. I need share this forward.</p>
<p>My track record:<br />
1) Buy Olympus 510 with two kit lenses. Spend 700eur and think that wil buy great image quality. Buy cheap ($100), but sturdy tripod.<br />
2) Dissappointment in massive scale, especially on poor bokeh with kit-lenses and lack of High ISO to shoot indoors.<br />
3) Learn to understand what f-numbers and ISO really mean. Read a lot and field test the camera for hours by shooting the same subject with different apertures, timings and ISO.<br />
4) understand that DSLR is about SYSTEM (lock-in through lens investment) and that micro-four-thirds is not for a serious DSLR-photographer, neither are crop-sensors. Have to go full-frame<br />
5) Buy Canon 5D with 16-35mm/2.8L and 50mm/1.4mm. Attach the 50mm lens, take few photos and cry out of euphoria. Near endless studies and  huge investment on cameras have bearen fruit. it is large aperture that matters.<br />
6) buy 70-200mm/2.8L in the same buying spree<br />
7) realize that 200mm on full frame is not really long. Buy2x extender and get disappointed on its quality<br />
 <img src='http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> realize my tripod is too bulky. Buy compact travel-tripod. Usd 100, but works for me.<br />
9) realize that changing lenses on a trip is burdensome. Buy 24-105mm/4L IS<br />
10) Slowly drop carrying many lenses on trips, but 24-105mm only<br />
11) upgrade to 5DII and enjoy the high ISO performance. Drop carrying flash  often<br />
12) buy Sigma 180mm/3.5 macro + Canon ring flash. Save some money by not buying the twin-flash.<br />
13) Take wonderful macro photos, mostly hand-held.<br />
14) Go crazy into macro and by MP-E65. Realize that the lens is useless without twin-flash (ring flash does not get close enough), electronic focus rail and HelioFocus stacking SW.<br />
15) Move into a country with limited macro opportunities. Put further macro investment on hold<br />
16) Buy 85mm 1.4f prime. Good lens, but does not zoom close enough. Bit limited usage, but good addition to portfolio<br />
17) Realize minimal usage of 16-35mm until I got. Baby. Close-ups with 35mm works well.<br />
18) Considering to upgrade the<br />
- 180mm macro to new Sigma 2.8/IS. Maybe go for 150mm to save some money (and re-use he ring flash)<br />
- get the twin-macro flash, electric focus rail and heliofocus<br />
- get 35mm/1.4 prime (for the baby photos, of course)<br />
- upgrade 70-200/2.8IS to new version<br />
- get either Mirroless or second DSLR to avoid lens switching on the road<br />
- &#8230; some day, some day</p>
<p>Had I known what I know now, I had started with 24-105/4L and 50mm/1.4 and skipped the 16-35/2.8 and MP-E65 (until I have budget for the full set). Although I think the 16-35/2.8 will turn out to be a great lens once I learn to us wide-angle properly.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 15:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great article. It reminds me of Thom Hogan&#039;s article on tripods that said something like &quot;You can spend $1000 on a good tripod, or spend $2000 on a good tripod and a bunch of crappy tripods&quot;.

I definitely evaluated what lenses I wanted first and spent 5 years with my D40 before upgrading to a d700.  Even with all that consideration there were things that popped up that I wasn&#039;t expecting.  It&#039;s good advice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great article. It reminds me of Thom Hogan&#8217;s article on tripods that said something like &#8220;You can spend $1000 on a good tripod, or spend $2000 on a good tripod and a bunch of crappy tripods&#8221;.</p>
<p>I definitely evaluated what lenses I wanted first and spent 5 years with my D40 before upgrading to a d700.  Even with all that consideration there were things that popped up that I wasn&#8217;t expecting.  It&#8217;s good advice.</p>
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		<title>By: KimH</title>
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		<dc:creator>KimH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 12:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ho Roger,

i decided to read ALL your stories after this one. This is MY story :)

Now I&#039;m finally there - i think....

20D, 30D, 40D, 5DII &amp; now the III

17-40L, 24-105L, 70-300L, 100-400L, 100MacroL, 8-15L, TS-E 17 and soon a Shorty 40. Not to forget all the EF-S that are now on their way to ebay-listings</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ho Roger,</p>
<p>i decided to read ALL your stories after this one. This is MY story <img src='http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Now I&#8217;m finally there &#8211; i think&#8230;.</p>
<p>20D, 30D, 40D, 5DII &amp; now the III</p>
<p>17-40L, 24-105L, 70-300L, 100-400L, 100MacroL, 8-15L, TS-E 17 and soon a Shorty 40. Not to forget all the EF-S that are now on their way to ebay-listings</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Crowe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Crowe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 04:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a retired Navy Master Chief Photographer&#039;s Mate with over 30 years of Navy Photography experience as well as civilian professional photography experience.  I totally agree with your article.

However, I would like to add one thing...

Although I own a plethora of excellent lenses, I shoot  90-95% of my imagery with 17-55mm f/2.8 IS and 70-200mm f/4L IS lenses on a pair of 1.6x cameras (I use the 40D and the 7D).  My standard travel kit is comprised of those two lenses and cameras plus, the 12-24mm f/4 Tokina ATX which I occasionally use.  I also carry a pair of flashes 430EX and 550EX along with a pair of Joe Demb Flash Diffuser pro diffuser-reflectors.  The hotshoe flashes along with the DFD will give me excellent lighting in a variety of venues.
I chose the 70-200mm f/4L IS instead of an f/2.8L (series) lens becauseof its lighter weight.  I can carry the f/4L IS lens AND THE EXTRA CAMERA at the same weight as carrying the f/2.8L lens alone.  I have never left home without the f/4L IS but, I read multiple postings on vatious digital seminars about photographers trying to decide if they want to carry the f/2.8L lens on a trip because of its additional weight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a retired Navy Master Chief Photographer&#8217;s Mate with over 30 years of Navy Photography experience as well as civilian professional photography experience.  I totally agree with your article.</p>
<p>However, I would like to add one thing&#8230;</p>
<p>Although I own a plethora of excellent lenses, I shoot  90-95% of my imagery with 17-55mm f/2.8 IS and 70-200mm f/4L IS lenses on a pair of 1.6x cameras (I use the 40D and the 7D).  My standard travel kit is comprised of those two lenses and cameras plus, the 12-24mm f/4 Tokina ATX which I occasionally use.  I also carry a pair of flashes 430EX and 550EX along with a pair of Joe Demb Flash Diffuser pro diffuser-reflectors.  The hotshoe flashes along with the DFD will give me excellent lighting in a variety of venues.<br />
I chose the 70-200mm f/4L IS instead of an f/2.8L (series) lens becauseof its lighter weight.  I can carry the f/4L IS lens AND THE EXTRA CAMERA at the same weight as carrying the f/2.8L lens alone.  I have never left home without the f/4L IS but, I read multiple postings on vatious digital seminars about photographers trying to decide if they want to carry the f/2.8L lens on a trip because of its additional weight.</p>
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		<title>By: Kites Cayetano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kites Cayetano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2012 09:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>one macro setup I would recommend to beginners like me is the &#039;reverse ring&#039; setup. you only need to buy a cheapo kit lens (an 18-55 will do) and a reverse ring and you&#039;re good to go! hehehe.

here&#039;s my setup. &gt;&gt;&gt; http://destinationewan.wordpress.com/2012/04/17/my-cheap-macro-photography-setup/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>one macro setup I would recommend to beginners like me is the &#8216;reverse ring&#8217; setup. you only need to buy a cheapo kit lens (an 18-55 will do) and a reverse ring and you&#8217;re good to go! hehehe.</p>
<p>here&#8217;s my setup. &gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://destinationewan.wordpress.com/2012/04/17/my-cheap-macro-photography-setup/" rel="nofollow">http://destinationewan.wordpress.com/2012/04/17/my-cheap-macro-photography-setup/</a></p>
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		<title>By: dc.tine.bxl</title>
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		<dc:creator>dc.tine.bxl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Finally, I was just ranting to my boyfriend how many reviews I had been reading and none of them really made things clearer for me.  This is an article that is funny and actually answers all the questions I had.  Thank you so much for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finally, I was just ranting to my boyfriend how many reviews I had been reading and none of them really made things clearer for me.  This is an article that is funny and actually answers all the questions I had.  Thank you so much for that.</p>
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		<title>By: Saimee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saimee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2012 07:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roger,

Love the blog and website. I always drop in when I feel jaded from reading through posts on a forum or two. This place brings a smile to my face usually and an occasional wince, when I read something on your lens tests that I can commiserate with.

I recently had a friend who is actually the owner of a camera shop, who said that we wanted to sell his Nikkor 70-200 f2.8 VRI as he doesn&#039;t use it much, preferring to use the 70-300 consumer zoom. He also shoots a lot of weddings, so I was surprised that he didn&#039;t use the 70-200 as it is a workhorse zoom for so many wedding pros. 

Although I am not a professional, I for one find my f2.8 zooms indispensable in situations like weddings, since there are so many variables in light, people movements and activities, that even a fast prime doesn&#039;t quite cut it for guerrilla split second shooting.  So I told him that he&#039;d better keep the 70-200 as he would end up regret selling it  eventually and have to buy another one. So when I read the part of your story about selling all the f2.8 zooms after not using them much, and then having to buy the set again when the kids took sports up again, it brought a smile to my face.

I am fortunate that my route followed a reasonable route that has seen me only getting rid of one lens, a Tokina 11-16 that I really wasn&#039;t using enough. I kept my sole &quot;kit&quot; lens as a loaner lens on my first DSLR body (a D90). I now run full frame with a lot of kit that I think I will hang on to, hopefully not to the point of opening up an Asian version of lensrentals...

Keep up the great articles and splurge of your thoughts!!!! This place is truly unique.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roger,</p>
<p>Love the blog and website. I always drop in when I feel jaded from reading through posts on a forum or two. This place brings a smile to my face usually and an occasional wince, when I read something on your lens tests that I can commiserate with.</p>
<p>I recently had a friend who is actually the owner of a camera shop, who said that we wanted to sell his Nikkor 70-200 f2.8 VRI as he doesn&#8217;t use it much, preferring to use the 70-300 consumer zoom. He also shoots a lot of weddings, so I was surprised that he didn&#8217;t use the 70-200 as it is a workhorse zoom for so many wedding pros. </p>
<p>Although I am not a professional, I for one find my f2.8 zooms indispensable in situations like weddings, since there are so many variables in light, people movements and activities, that even a fast prime doesn&#8217;t quite cut it for guerrilla split second shooting.  So I told him that he&#8217;d better keep the 70-200 as he would end up regret selling it  eventually and have to buy another one. So when I read the part of your story about selling all the f2.8 zooms after not using them much, and then having to buy the set again when the kids took sports up again, it brought a smile to my face.</p>
<p>I am fortunate that my route followed a reasonable route that has seen me only getting rid of one lens, a Tokina 11-16 that I really wasn&#8217;t using enough. I kept my sole &#8220;kit&#8221; lens as a loaner lens on my first DSLR body (a D90). I now run full frame with a lot of kit that I think I will hang on to, hopefully not to the point of opening up an Asian version of lensrentals&#8230;</p>
<p>Keep up the great articles and splurge of your thoughts!!!! This place is truly unique.</p>
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		<title>By: eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2012 04:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;brays....should be bdays (birthdays), sorry!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;brays&#8230;.should be bdays (birthdays), sorry!</p>
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		<title>By: eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2012 04:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great article roger! i went from my original xsi for just about 2 years to my 7D recently since my main passion is shooting sports! the 8fps is huge for me &amp; i am saving for that 70-200 2.8 as i&#039;m typing right now to u! however even though the IS is not needed for sports, it is for low light indoor sports (please correct me if im wrong). i ditched my original kit lens 18-55 from my xsi but held onto my zoom since i have nothing else until the &quot;white monster&quot;! however all i use these days is my prime 50 1.4 that i purchased after i originally bought the 1.8. which i had it for about a year or so &amp; sold it for $50 so not bad at all! it makes u such a better shooter since u have to work with ur legs to frame that perfect shot! now I&#039;m also saving for a great wide angle since im helping out a friend taking shots for small weddings, brays, sweet 16&#039;s, etc. what should i be looking at for my group shots of 20 or so.....10-20, 24-70? i agree that bodies come &amp; go but glass is forever so now that i finally have my 7D which i believe i can really grow into, i only want L glass. the prime 50 1.2 is way, way out of my reach so i think now a great wide angle zoom &amp; the 70-200 2.8 will all complement each other !!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great article roger! i went from my original xsi for just about 2 years to my 7D recently since my main passion is shooting sports! the 8fps is huge for me &amp; i am saving for that 70-200 2.8 as i&#8217;m typing right now to u! however even though the IS is not needed for sports, it is for low light indoor sports (please correct me if im wrong). i ditched my original kit lens 18-55 from my xsi but held onto my zoom since i have nothing else until the &#8220;white monster&#8221;! however all i use these days is my prime 50 1.4 that i purchased after i originally bought the 1.8. which i had it for about a year or so &amp; sold it for $50 so not bad at all! it makes u such a better shooter since u have to work with ur legs to frame that perfect shot! now I&#8217;m also saving for a great wide angle since im helping out a friend taking shots for small weddings, brays, sweet 16&#8242;s, etc. what should i be looking at for my group shots of 20 or so&#8230;..10-20, 24-70? i agree that bodies come &amp; go but glass is forever so now that i finally have my 7D which i believe i can really grow into, i only want L glass. the prime 50 1.2 is way, way out of my reach so i think now a great wide angle zoom &amp; the 70-200 2.8 will all complement each other !!!</p>
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		<title>By: Heru Anggono</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heru Anggono</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 02:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So uncanny, how come Roger knew most of our foolish decisions in the past? As a matter of fact, after 10 years doing photography I myself is about halfway down the story, past the kit lens, past big zoom, now in fast prime stage.

I have been wondering for the last couple of months if a manual focus rangefinder would bring my enlightenment. haha...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So uncanny, how come Roger knew most of our foolish decisions in the past? As a matter of fact, after 10 years doing photography I myself is about halfway down the story, past the kit lens, past big zoom, now in fast prime stage.</p>
<p>I have been wondering for the last couple of months if a manual focus rangefinder would bring my enlightenment. haha&#8230;</p>
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