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Lensrentals.com Reviews the Canon 5D Mark IV

Published September 29, 2016

Announced in the light of Photokina, came the continuation of the Canon 5d series with the latest from Canon, with the Canon 5d Mark IV. The announcement was met with mixed opinions, but like all camera announcements, there is no telling how great the system is until someone you trust gets their hands on the camera for themselves. Hopefully, here at Lensrentals.com, we’ve developed that relationship, and we’re here to test, and give a comprehensive review on the new flagship system from Canon – the Canon 5d Mark IV.

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And before we get into the review, I want to mention that this review is broken into two pieces – photo and video. Since the release of the Canon 5d Mark II, Canon has been adding more and more video functionalities into the 5D series. The Canon 5D Mark IV is no exception, allowing for 4K video to be shot at 30fps. However, I specialize in photo far more than video, so I’ve gotten colleague and video tech for Lensrentals.com – Ryan Hill – to write a video portion of the review. These reviews are written independently, as not to skew each other’s opinions, and then welded together through the power of proofreading. So if there are any repeating mentions of features, be patient with us, as we’re just trying to get you the best opinion available on the new system.

Photo Review

As a photographer, the simple announcement of the Canon 5D Mark IV got me excited. This camera has been speculated for years and the Canon 5d Mark III, released in March 2012, was overdue for an update. With a new sensor, new autofocusing system, and something called Dual Pixel RAW, Canon has seemed to refresh their favorite line with a bunch of nice upgrades for the working photographer. So let’s just right into the features.

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Features

The new camera comes with an extensive list of features that are new when compared to the Mark III. Most important is the 30mp sensor that is powered by a Digic 6+ processor, allowing for up to 7fps of shooting in both normal and silent mode. Additionally, the Canon 5D Mark IV has built-in GPS and Wifi, allowing you to geotag your images with precision, and enable you to wirelessly transfer the images to a computer, tablet or phone, to post while on the go. When testing the Wifi, I found that it worked great at an event, allowing for small jpeg previews to be sent to an iPad at pretty rapid pacing. While the tech isn’t quite there, I imagine tethering wirelessly on commercial shoots is only a few years away.

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It also sports a new autofocus system, which is compared to the Canon 1DX Mark II’s system, which I found to be incredible. My experiences with the system weren’t as elaborate as tracking fast moving objects, though I have no doubts that the camera would handle it with ease. Perhaps this itself is the biggest improvement over the Canon 5d Mark III. With each new system, Canon has managed to improve the focusing system, and this focus system might be the best in camera systems today. With an autofocus system that works exceptionally at tracking for both photo and video, it’s hard to believe that in a few years, this system will likely be obsolete. Like all new innovative technologies – I can’t see how this can be improved, but perhaps that is why I’m a consumer and not an engineer.

And the biggest announcement in the features came in the form of Dual Pixel RAW, which allows you to micro focus your images after the fact. In practicality, it’s brilliant. How often have you found that one winner in your frames, only to see that you have some slight back focusing? That said, it’s all theory now, as Adobe and Capture One have not added the feature into their RAW software, so the feature isn’t enabled unless you’re using Canon’s gaudy software. So while I wasn’t able to test this feature (yet), I’m looking forward to seeing how it works when it becomes more readily available.

However, I really think the biggest improvements come in the unspoken features – that may not be revolutionary, but allow for some neat little tricks that help you shoot faster, and more efficiently. Here are a few of my favorites.

 

The Unspoken Features

Much to my surprise, the Canon 5D Mark IV comes with a bunch of additional features that have been overshadowed by the announcement of the focusing system and Dual Pixel RAW. And sure, I get it, focusing is more important – but the little features are what made me fall in love with the camera. What are those features, let us just go down a list —

1. The focus-feature button
It allows you to switch focusing types quickly (from single point to cross point, etc, etc.).

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2. Hybrid-ish Viewfinder
The viewfinder allows you to add various pieces of information, from things as useless as battery power, to as useful as an electronic level built into the viewfinder.

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3. An Actual Useful Touch Screen
The touchscreen allows for a bunch of new controls, allowing you to focus, select images, zoom, and more. Up until now, Canon’s touchscreens on DSLRs have been pretty functionless by most people’s standards.
4. Quieter operation
If you’re coming from the Mark III, you’ll find the 5D Mark IV to be quite a bit more quiet, with it’s new(er) mirror box design

 

However, there are some downfalls with the system as well. Most notably, is the lack of CFast card slot on the system – extending the life of the Compact Flash slot for another generation. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t want to switch to new memory cards either, but CFast is exceptionally better than Compact Flash at its current state. While Compact Flash is (currently) limited to around 100MB/sec (averaged), CFast achieves speeds five times as fast. While that may not be important to a camera that shoots 7fps, it can be a huge advantage to those who need to upload images to their computers quickly…and can really speed up the workflow for those in fast pace environments.

 

Video Review

I took a support call a couple of weeks ago that came to mind a few times while I was testing the 5D Mark IV. A relatively inexperienced customer (late high school or early college if I had to guess) called in for help putting together a 5D Mark III package. He was shooting a short film and needed a viewfinder, a top handle, and an XLR adapter. After getting the 5D Mark III in his cart, I recommended a Zacuto Z-Finder, a Wooden Quick Kit (just the top section), and Beachtek DXA-SLR Pro. He was ready to place the order before I interjected. “You know, you’ve created a Canon C100 here. If you’re willing to switch cameras, you’ll have a simpler setup, dual pixel autofocus, better battery life, and two card slots. Plus, it’ll be cheaper.” He’d never considered a dedicated video camera because his teachers had all told him that the only affordable way to shoot high-quality video with a cinematic look on a budget was to use a DSLR. Seven years ago, they would’ve been right. The 5D Mark II revolutionized the video market in ways that are still being felt today. Whole companies (including Lensrentals) sprang up to support amateur filmmakers who, all of a sudden, had a way to capture video with shallow depth of field and high dynamic range without pawning all their worldly possessions.

Now, though, we have a few more options. You no longer have to cobble together a Frankenstein’s monster of third-party accessories just to make a DSLR usable. Cameras like the Canon C100, Sony PXW-FS5, and Panasonic AF100, will give you video at least as good as what you can get from a DSLR (better in most cases), plus XLR inputs, physical audio controls, viewfinders, unlimited clip length, etc. In short, they’re designed with video in mind from the outset, rather than it being a feature tacked-on to a camera intended for stills. As a videographer, this leaves me wondering where exactly the 5D Mark IV fits in my workflow. Given the specs, under what circumstances would I reach for this particular camera over the myriad other options available?

About those specs: first of all, yes, you can shoot 4K (8-bit 4:2:2) with the 5D Mark IV. However, you’re limited to 30p or below. 1080 will give you up to 60p, and, frustratingly, 120p is limited to 720 resolution. Also frustrating is the total lack of 4K output over HDMI. 4K recording is limited to a 1.74 crop which, in addition to making reframing necessary when switching from stills to 4K video, introduces some very noticeable rolling shutter issues. Without scientific testing, I’d say the rolling shutter is nearly as bad as it is on the A7S, which is the camera I use in the office when I’m demonstrating what a bad rolling shutter looks like. The 5D IV also lacks some major features I’d expect out of any modern video camera: No peaking, no zebras, no focus magnification while recording, and no log profile. Hopefully, some of this can be fixed through firmware updates or by the good people at Magic Lantern, but your $3,500 camera shouldn’t have to be improved by volunteers accepting bitcoin donations. Finally, regarding usability, the menu structure just isn’t designed for video. As always, audio controls are too hidden, but there are smaller annoyances that snuck up on me. For instance, you initiate 120p recording by selecting an “Enable” button in the “Recording Settings” menu. You end high-speed recording by navigating to the same menu and selecting “Disable.” After disabling 120p, does the 5D return you to the recording setting you were using, say 4K 24p? Nope. It goes back to the default (1080, 60i) every time, necessitating another dive into the menu structure to change back to your chosen settings. This had me cursing under my breath multiple times while surrounded by children and Knights of Columbus at a fair.

There are things to like here, though or at least a thing. The autofocus performance, as in the C300 Mark II, is awesome, and I mean that in a literal sense. It inspires awe. The touch screen, rather than being the useless gimmick I was expecting, became my tool of choice for controlling focus. Accurate face tracking allowed me to just point at the person or thing (it seemed to work just as well on dachshund faces) I wanted to keep in focus, and then just re-frame as needed. It almost never hunted or lost track of subjects. The only downside I could find is that it doesn’t work during high-speed recording.

So, back to the initial question, under what circumstances would I choose this camera over everything else in the Lensrentals inventory? To answer that, I have to first admit that a lot of my criticism above is unfair. I can’t very well complain about a lack of good video features because this isn’t a video camera. Both the millions of other amateur filmmakers and I brought up on the 5D Mark II need to remember that. Video cameras have things like XLR inputs, internal ND filters, and menu structures designed for video work. What it is is a still photography camera and a fantastic one at that. I do almost all of my still photography on a 5D Mark III, and that’s where the 5D Mark IV will fit for me. If something comes up while I’m shooting stills that I think I’d like to take a quick video clip of, then I’ll be happy I can do it in 4K. If video functionality is a priority in any way, I will go with a camera designed for video, and I’d recommend you do the same.

Below is some sample footage I shot with the Mark IV this weekend. Since C-Log is, unfortunately, absent, I shot everything with Technicolor’s Cinestyle Profile, which is available for free here. Everything was left ungraded, including stuff I exposed imperfectly. Unless otherwise noted, the day footage was shot at 400 ISO, and the night footage was shot at 800 ISO. If you have any questions, feel free to let me know in the comments.

 

Build Quality

If you haven’t looked at it yet, look at Roger’s teardown of the Canon 5d Mark IV system. As shown by him, the weather sealing has been improved, and subtle changes have made the Canon 5D Mark IV and upgrade from the previous models. When holding, the system feels very similar to the Mark III, giving you a robust build in a comfortable form factor.

Price

The Canon 5D Mark IV is available for purchase at $3,500, and available for rental for about $125 for a weekend rental. This price is what we’ve come to expect from a pro-level DSLR body of this caliber.

Does it Meet Expectations?

Heads up, here comes a short rant. Upon the announcement of this camera, it was instantly met with some harsh critics on the feature list of the system. People want a camera that can shoot medium format quality images, with the speed of a Canon 1DX Mark II, and the video functionalities of a RED Weapon – and they want the price to sit under $3,000. Sure, this camera doesn’t have anything and may not have pushed the bounds of the industry, but the Canon 5D series has never been about being revolutionary in features, but being revolutionary in practicality. The 5D Mark II came with video functionality, which set it apart from the competition – but it wasn’t perfect. You were limited to manual focus, and here even further limited to framerates and resolution. The Mark III introduced an useable focusing system (I kid, I kid), but improved on everything the Mark II had to offer, without overreaching with unusual or groundbreaking features. The Mark IV has taken every feature of the Mark III and improved it a little bit. It may not be completely cutting-edge, but they made an incredibly loved and capable camera even better on every single metric. People need to stop expecting the industry to evolve faster than it can. It’s already moving fast, and the Canon 5D Mark IV keeps pace with every single competitor in the DSLR field. It’s feature-full and practical – maybe not as revolutionary as the Sony a7 was to the mirrorless world, but it will certainly be the most used camera in the industry within a years time.

 What We Liked –

  • Dual Pixel RAW Looks to be an Incredible Feature
  • Lighting Fast Autofocusing for both Photo and Video
  • Wifi and GPS work great and have a lot of functionality
  • Image quality is great, and the additional resolution is a nice touch

What Could Be Improved –

  • It’s still a photo camera with video functionality
  • 4K is cropped to a 1.7x sensor
  • Still missing key features found on 3rd parties (in body stabilization for one)
  • No CFast slot (Compact Flash & SD Slots Only)

Summary

So is the Canon 5D Mark IV a worthy upgrade? Yes….yes it is. Canon managed to combine what we loved about the Canon 5d Mark III, and improved on it in every metric. The autofocus is better, the camera is faster, the video functionality has improved, the lowlight has been improved, and there are plenty of additional features to set it apart. The Canon 5d Mark IV is an exceptional camera and fixes a lot of practical issues I’ve had with previous models.

 

 

Zach Sutton & Ryan Hill

Lensrentals.com

Author: Zach Sutton

I’m Zach and I’m the editor and a frequent writer here at Lensrentals.com. I’m also a commercial beauty photographer in Los Angeles, CA, and offer educational workshops on photography and lighting all over North America.

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  • Doug Laurent

    Most still photographers never seem to realize that my lists (I do 50% video and 50% photo) are 95% very helpful for photos as well.

    If you want to achieve the best stills quality, today you would need Zeiss still lenses on nearly all focal lengths (like today’s lensrental 50mm comparison shows again at 50mm). Features like Sensor stabilization, focus peaking and reviewing through an EVF in bright sunlight would all be very useful for the results and workflow. 4K 60fps is not only slowmo video, it is 60x 9 megapixel photos a second. The list goes on like that. Shooting stills doesnt mean standing still and stopping any progress.

  • Carl Eberhart

    Jesse I think you are making good points. I think for Lensrentals (that I am not trying to bash here, I love you guys!!)…to use a videographer to review the 5D4, and for people like Doug who appear to constantly discuss the camera’s video usage here…It just does not correlate to what MOST of the Canon customers who buy the 5D4 will be doing. Most of them will be shooting stills with this camera, not video. Most of the “pro’s” are wedding or otherwise commercial photographers. These people already use something else (or someone else) for video. Indie filmmakers apparently continue to abandon the 5D2 thru 4, for their cinematic uses…as Zach states in his review.

    From my perspective (primarily stills shooter, full time to part time real estate pro, and landscape / wildlife / portrait hobbyist), I still see the 5D4 as hobbled from the outset, needlessly. The dual pixel RAW is an embarrassing gimmick not worthy of Canon’s reputation…and the forgoing of CFast, is a very big mistake. Then there’s the lackluster image sensor performance vs. peers that has caused people like me to embrace the other brand, while we still aren’t totally abandoning Canon.

    Have a look at even something like Pentax’s new K1’s sensor performance vs. the 5D4, if you are skeptical. At half the price, it actually beats not only the 5D4, but also the D810 (especially at lower ISO…it is actually beating the D810 at ISO 100!). It’s just that obviously the Pentax system, and even that camera body, are still not up to snuff. Kind of like Canon’s image sensors…not up to snuff!

    Canon as a company though, regarding their customer support (and given also their size, largest in the camera industry), is FAR without peer.

  • Carl Eberhart

    Nice to see someone else who uses both brands !

  • keynut5

    Well, I did test Sony A7RII against Canon 5DmkIII in real life for sports shooting. Sony’s battery drainage is really bad, and to add insult to injury, the camera also drains the batteries while stored (as in not being used)! No such thing with Canon. And in the cold (shooting winter sports), Sony eats battery power far more rapidly than Canon. And, for that matter, Sony is currently not suitable for sports shooting due to lack of fast, and fast focusing, glass. Yes, I know about the Metabones adapters, and have tried them, but focusing is way too slow and unpredictable for sports shooting when mounting relevant (Canon) glass on Sony A7RII. Long story short, I got rid of the Sony and opted for Fuji X-T2 as mirrorless supplement to Canon, and so far, after having covered fast action sports with both, happy as a bunny. Fuji will not replace Canon in my bag any day soon, due to a lot of reasons, but is a great supplement that shoots totally silent when needed (on thing I miss with Canon), and having superb portrait/anything human qualities file wise, and a great selection of top notch glass. Sony has a great, but yet unreleased, potential for real life pro reportage/sports. Sony needs (way) better ergonomics, speed, and, not the least, a much better selection of pro grade glass.

  • Carl Eberhart

    I totally agree. If the dual pixel RAW feature, makes a difference with missed focus shots on supertele lenses, I have yet to see evidence of it. And most birders and sports shooters that shoot supertele, are not going to use this mode. Why? 75 to 90 MB or larger RAW files for only a 30 MP image? Makes zero sense, not going to happen with them, they would not tolerate the impact on the buffer. Couple this with a feeble and ancient CF slot, no CFast !! Canon has hobbled this camera and it is going to be mocked heavily in the coming years, imo…since it won’t be replaced until 2020 !! (It may actually force Canon to do a “minor” update on the camera after two years…that would make a lot more sense, especially if you’re going to deliberately cripple the camera at the outset of production!) DPReview already found that for wider than 70mm there isn’t much improvement if any (when using dual pixel RAW)…So the only other use scenario for dpR, could be the possible addition of a stop in highlight DR (assuming Canon issues some extreme firmware update in the future, and that’s a big “if”…or if magic lantern still cares enough about Canon that they would attempt to hack the firmware to experiment with this “theory”). But even if it did work, is that extra highlight stop worth such a huge file size? I suppose maybe, for high ISO shots that could use an extra stop of DR, but for low ISO…there’s already almost enough DR. And even adding a stop for highlights wouldn’t amount to much, it seems to me…since higher DR shots at low ISO, are generally under exposed and then pushed. Something the 5D4’s sensor already fails miserably at, vs. the D810 even at +3 EV push (in post), let alone more. Imagine how far behind the 5D4 will be vs. the D810 replacement next year? And no I am not a Nikon fanboy either, I am aware of that much smaller company’s many, many flaws. Certainly I admit the 5D4’s AF murders the D810’s…but by the same token, the D500 and D5’s AF kicks the butts of both the 5D4 and the 1DX2 (according to all who have tried and compared both directly, so far.)

  • Carl Eberhart

    Also even on shadow noise at low ISO and underexposed by even 3 stops, the D810 still wins there…let alone by more stops.

  • Carl Eberhart

    “The best noise”…not really. The best noise when lifted from an under exposed low ISO shot? Yes. But at high ISO? No…1DX2 still wins there, within the Canon line. As it should. DXO score is heavily weighted on subjective issues and also on megapixel quantity. If their sensor score was only rated on high ISO noise performance, the D5 would get a 99. But it’s not.

  • Carl Eberhart

    No problem sir, happy shooting 🙂

  • Carl Eberhart

    Not at all. I am being more objective here than you are, frankly. I am not fully invested in one system at this time, so I can be more objective than a fanboy that DOES fully invest in one system, and thus has to defend it. I am not getting this particular camera for low light, only a fool would. But I suspect you aren’t using your precious new toy in low light for anything critical either, so hop off your high horse, it needs a bath 🙂

  • Carl Eberhart

    It’s not a matter of me using it, it’s a matter of comparing it directly with competitors, which you have not done, but which others have done, as I noted above. Still waiting on why their results looked so soft. From what I gather the AA filter is fairly strong. I owned the 5D3, and am now going with Nikon for a while.

  • whereisaki

    I wonder if the fact that Canon makes video cameras has an impact on the video features they incorporate in their still cameras. I know, Sony this, Sony that, but Canon sells lots more cameras, and maybe they want you to buy a video camera to shoot video.

  • Unrest

    What? More Canon bias at Lens Rentals. Imagine that, lol.

  • Yuki Sung

    Wait.. did you really say that the Dual Pixel RAW is a pro for this camera?.. I am canon user, and love 5D4 and just don’t care about other brands, but.. that Dual Pixel RAW is a biggest gimmick in the camera industry in a long time IMO. LOL

  • Doug Laurent

    You are absolutely right. I love my 1DX2, and having 4K 60fps, dualpixel autofocus, touchscreen etc are great. But I’ve also listed what Canon easily and realistically could have added to their expensive flagship camera.

    One very simple thing would have been to make buttons fully assignable, so we all could have had a third wheel dedicated for ISO now, like it’s possible on a Sony A7R2. Instead Canon did decide to artificially limit the functions you can assign for that wheel and other buttons. That’s even less understandable when you know that – which is much better than Sony – you are able to register any function into your own menu tabs.

    In comparison, the 1DX2 also has very disappointing aspects. In higher ISO numbers from 6400 on especially in 4K video mode, the 1DX2 is much noisier than the old 1DC they have presented 4 years ago. How can that be???

    It also sucks that the 1DX2 has no video log mode, like the 1DC – another artificial limitation. Now I always have to decide if I can shoot 60fps OR in log mode, but not both at the same time. Unnecessarily I need to carry 2 heavy cameras because of it.

    Luckily Canon can get a big applause if they release a firmware update that does address all the simple things they could improve in a firmware.

  • Doug Laurent

    In europe it’s app. 4000 Euros including sales taxes, in america it can be 3500 USD without taxes. That doesn’t change anything about the main point that the price is app. 65% higher than the 5D2, while in the 8 year period of zero interest rates and low inflation since the 5D2 release many things by far didn’t become that much more expensive.

    By the way, it’s funny to see how the same people who are extremely generous with Canon regarding lots of missing features and high prices, suddenly can become very detail-loving and strict when it comes to their own defending arguments.

  • Cthulhu

    The improvement is comparable and more noticeable on the 1d series in my opinion. I don’t care for wifi of touchscreens, just the ability to make better images

  • Cthulhu

    How’s the 1dx2 a mistake? The camera is absolutely fantastic and best in class.

  • Doug Laurent

    Now I tell you a secret: if you want to become a millionaire, you need to value small money, relativity and details.

    If Canon and some users think that filmmakers and photographers each should buy seperate dedicated cameras and it doesn’t make sense to integrate all functions into one, then they missed where the media and the planet are going since autumn 2008.

    At Photokina, Canon presented their working 8K (of course mirrorless) Cinema camera. I might have been only 1% of the stand visitors who saw this, but Canon had a wall with large prints of single app. 32 megapixel framegrabs of the 8K demo clips, plus magnifying glasses for visitors. The results did look extremely good!

    Anybody who saw this please don’t tell me that stills and video don’t go together, and Canon doesn’t know that the fusion will happen in the future. They just milk every last cent out of the traditional technology, so consumers will have to buy many steps in between. That’s their right as a company, but the right of the consumer is to put pressure on them to make the progress of innovation a bit more speedy.

  • Devils Advocate

    If you are going to use numbers you really need to fact check them, I too would be unhappy if I spent 4,000 for a camera with a MSRP of 3,499

  • Doug Laurent

    So you didn’t test it yourself – it’s just the specs of the manufacturers, who like in this case are as reliable as the fuel consumption specs of car manufacturers, because there are too many different preferences and conditions that make it uncomparable.

    One main source for battery consumption of the camera is the monitor for liveview and playback. If you switch these on and wait, the 5D4 will maybe stay on 30% longer than the A7R2, but not 300% longer.

    I can definitely say that comparable days with a 5D3/5D4 who did take 3 batteries did not mean the A7R2 did take 9 batteries, it’s more like 5.

    The main question about battery life is: does the A7R2 have a real disadvantage through it, that overweighs the app 20 advantages it has over the 5D4? I guess not, as it costs you just seconds in a day. Not having an articulating screen or sensor stabilization on the other hand can suck the whole shooting day, unless you are an oldschool autofocus-stills-only user.

  • Devils Advocate

    Please get you numbers correct before posting. Per sonys website the A7RII will do 290 shots per battery using the view finder, this is compared to 900 shots with the 5d mark IV using the view finder, per canon specs. Your math is faulty as I count that as three batteries needed for the sony

  • sfcameraman

    Wait, you have all those cameras, making money? And you are complaining about a few hundred bucks difference between camera models? I suppose if you do the math and the camera won’t make you money… then don’t buy it. But, if I enjoyed the Canon functionality and the specs makes sense… I’d be buying that camera. I have a 5D Mark 3, a C300 and the C300 MarkII. They all cost me money on outlay but they are all great tools that make money for me eventually.
    I come from the video side… and I see the value in the 5D series… but when I really need a video camera I go with a dedicated video camera. They all have their place in the stable and the costs are minor compared with the money they will make over time. In my case, the DSLR for video is seeing very little use these days… so I have no desire to upgrade at this point.
    If I was a hobbyist, or not making money on my images… sure, I would take a hard look at all cameras and the costs between them. There is plenty to shrug shoulders at with the 5Dm4 but there are pretty great things, too.
    The 5Dm3 might not be the tool for everyone but there sure seems to be a lot of shade thrown at it, for unrealistic reasons.

  • Doug Laurent

    Even if the A7R2 weighs some grams more, it then has longer battery life because 2 of the smaller Sony batteries do last much longer than 1 of the larger Canon batteries. The A7R2 then also would also have the full functionality of the battery grip, and the option to remove the grip and be lighter.

    An 8 hour shooting day with an A7R2 without a grip probably would mean an extra 15 seconds more for switching batteries compared to the 5D4. Now THAT’s really an irrelevant point. Did anyboy ever complain that the 5D4 batteries do last only half as long as the 1DX2 batteries, and that makes the 5D4 an unusable camera?

  • Gary Gray

    I’m a working pro. I use both Nikon and Canon bodies & lenses. I primairly shoot full frame bodies, but do have a couple of crop bodies as well. The right tool for the the job. I’m not brand centric.

    The 5D MK IV is a great camera. I won’t be buying it. Why? It doesn’t solve any photographic problem I have. Between the existing and aging Nikon and Canon Full Frame offerings, it isn’t worth $3,500 to put one of these in my kit. Plain and simple.

  • Devils Advocate

    A 5d mark IV with battery and memory card is 890 grams

    the A7RII is 625 grams + VG-C2EM battery grip 250 grams + battery 57 grams, for a total of 932 grams

    By my math the sony with grip and extra battery weighs more than the 5d mark IV with 1 battery

  • Pixel

    “While the tech isn’t quite there, I imagine tethering wirelessly on commercial shoots is only a few years away.”

    What do you mean with that? Tethering dont’t work with the 5d IV ???

  • Doug Laurent

    A Camera with the specs I have listed: Sony A7R2, except Pixelshift which comes from Pentax, focus stacking which comes from sub-600 Panasonic cameras, 240fps which is available in a sub-1000 Sony RX100IV camera, and 4K 60fps which soon will be available in a sub-2000 GH5.

    If you carry around a Sony A7R2 with a battery grip and 2 batteries, it will last longer than a 5D4, while still being lighter.

    In 2017, Sony probably will have a fusion out between the A7R2 and the A99II, which could include your and my wish list. With Canon, I don’t see a sign right now that they will release such a camera before the year 2020.

  • Doug Laurent

    Sator, you might be one of the “adults” tirmite is talking about: useless forum users that only offend others, while not adding any hard facts or useful logical thoughts. I own app 50 cameras (including 5D3, 5D4, 1DC, 1DX2, Red Epics and medium format) and 250 lenses that I use daily and sometimes rent out to pro friends, so I gain a lot of experience in comparing all these products and brands in detail.

    I love Canon and their latest cameras. But like many others we have to use them for the next 4 years. And for many purposes in a modern media world that require to act faster, transport less and do stills and video at the same time, Canon does not come up with solutions that are as convenient as their competitors. For all those who are happy to spend 4000 bucks for the 5D4 the way it is, congratulations. Many people are not happy and would like to openly talk about it, me just with more detailed reasoning.

  • Doug Laurent

    You obviously don’t do anything else than taking stills with stabilized autofocus lenses, which is fine (while nearly all of my points are very useful for stills shooters as well). But then your complaint could be, why a 5D4 is 65% more expensive than a 5D2, in a world of near zero interest rates since 2008?

    The two reasons why Canon sets the prices that high might be:
    a) they have added a lot more features like 4K which you also don’t need
    b) they need to compensate decreasing sales that probably happenend because their lack of innovation compared to competitors and new mirrorless systems who have a bigger marketshare.

    Canon should either charge the highest realistic prices like they do and add all realistic features they can implement, or release limited products for less money. Half of the points I have listed can already be found in Panasonic cameras that cost 500 bucks, so it should be no magic for Canon to add more features.

  • Mohd Shamsul

    I keep being pushed to the edge. Swore I would not upgrade from III to IV but tethering on the edge now …

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