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About Getting Your Camera Wet… Teardown of a Salty Sony A7sII

Published October 27, 2017

People think that because I expect the worst and try to prepare for it, that I’m negative. That’s not it at all. I’m not a negative person; I’m cheerfully cynical. If I expect the worst and it doesn’t happen, I’m happy because things went better than I expected. If I expect the worst and it does happen, I’m happy, because I can tell everyone, “See, I told you this would happen.” So I expect the worst because that keeps me happy.

This post is a superb example of why expecting the worst is reasonable. There are all kinds of badness in this one post. There’s nothing good here at all. Well, except for Aaron’s disassembly. That’s very good. Everything else here is about mistakes.

Here’s a list of bad things that we’ll discuss.

  1. Camera manufacturers market their equipment as weather resistant. But if you get water inside the camera the warranty is void. So that’s pretty much “we guarantee it will work unless it breaks.”
  2. People think weather resistant means waterproof because they want to believe that.
  3. Service Centers play the impact/moisture damage card so much that everyone assumes they are full of …shirt… when they say so.
  4. There are two kinds of photographers: Those who have ruined a camera from water damage and are careful about water and see #2.
  5. Most service centers won’t work on a water damaged camera, even if you pay them. Some won’t even open it up to look inside if they see evidence on the outside.

So here’s the background. A Sony a7sII camera came back from rental and was completely dead when tested. The sharp-eyed tech noted some corrosion around a couple of screws.

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That’s not very impressive, but the camera was dead and had been rented near the ocean. (I should probably add that this kind of thing is on our inspection checklist, so two different techs would have to miss the corroded screws for the camera to go out this way. I’m not saying it’s impossible, but it’s not likely.)

Since the camera was bricked, it was going to need repair if possible. We know from long experience that this service center would refuse to even open the camera because of the corrosion on the screws. So we opened it up to look inside ourselves.

Just so you can play detective along with us, the two corroded screws were on the lower left part of the camera, near the battery door, so we started this exercise thinking salt water might have splashed up onto the left-bottom side of the camera.

So, Salt Water or Coincidence? You Make the Call.

We started by taking off the Sony a7sII viewfinder cover. There’s some dust under there but no signs of corrosion. The copper piece left behind on the out-of-focus camera body would be completely corroded with the slightest exposure to salt water.

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Next, we took off the battery door. This is an easy water access because the foam seal doesn’t go all the way around the door (it stops where the forceps are pointing). There’s no obvious corrosion here although one screw does look corroded and the stripping itself looks dingy.

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Removing the bottom plate, though, shows that this camera definitely got salt water inside. The white stuff is actual salt residue. If a new tech has a question about whether it’s salt, we tell them to taste it. (An experienced tech can taste it and tell which coast the water was from.)

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By this point we’ve pretty much ruled out the ‘camera coincidently died’ theory and have pretty well confirmed ‘got splashed with salt water and the outside was wiped down carefully’ theory. It’s probably no coincidence that the two corroded screws and the leaky (by design, not by a defect) battery door are right in this area.

But we also know that the viewfinder had no salt in it so we had some hope that camera might not be a total loss. You know hope? That happy sensation that life crushes out of you? So we continued the disassembly to see how bad things were.

Taking that metal base plate out to see the inside made us feel worse. The salt was literally caked inside.

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Up until now, there was just salt on body parts. That could be cleaned, and anti-corrosion treatment applied. But this ‘weather resistant’ camera has absolutely no weather resistance on the bottom. With that metal plate out you can see there’s a nice clear path up inside to all the important parts. The metal plates you see are the camera’s sensor and the IBIS system. So that hope we had, well, the reality is a 6 point favorite over hope.

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The next step is to remove the camera back and to do that we first have to take the LCD off.

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There’s more salt caked around the base of the LCD hinges.

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The next step was to remove the back of the camera.

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This finished crushing the last of our hopes and dreams that this camera might be salvageable.

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Yep, that’s salt caked inside the back along the bottom of the camera, and along the side where the ports are. At the bottom right, just above Aaron’s finger, you can see the HDMI and multiports as they insert into the main PCB. They’re both covered in salt and corrosion, so at the least, the main board has to be replaced.

But the amount of salt and corrosion here and on the bottom means we wouldn’t trust anything in this camera, ever again. It can’t even be a parts donor — the chance that those parts will eventually corrode and fail is too high. That’s why many service centers won’t repair water damaged cameras; they have to give a warranty after the repair and chances are very high something they didn’t replace is going to fail during the warranty period.

Just to complete the exercise lets see what the rest of the insides look like. The aluminum plate comes off next. You can’t tell from the picture, but there’s been enough corrosion that the metal surface is pitted, that’s not just salt you see in this picture.

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Likewise, the copper plate underneath, even though it didn’t get nearly as soaked, is already pitted and discolored. Saltwater just eats up copper.

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The SD card assembly gets removed next, and it, too, has enough corrosion that it would require replacement.

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With the covers off we can look at the damage on the board a little better.

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Looking a little closer shows that the actual pins and traces around the ports are dissolving.

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And on another area of the board, the traces and pins are nearly as bad.

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Even though we hadn’t seen any apparent corrosion around the viewfinder we took it out just to make sure there was none on the inside; there wasn’t.

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We took off the grip to assess the battery box. While the box was fine we saw another leak in a poorly sealed area – the camera strap lugs don’t have a seal and some water had obviously leaked in there (red arrow).

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The top assembly came off next, and at first glance, it all seemed OK.

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However, when we took off the metal plate to the right, we found more salt and corrosion underneath it.

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Not that it matters, but the bottom of the PCB seems to have remained dry.

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Removing the next layer of shielding lets us look at the in-body stabilizer (thick aluminum pieces) and the circuit board behind the sensor. There’s a little salt tracking along the right edge and some corrosion of the screw in the upper right (in the picture). The marks are from the assembly; I’m not trying to draw your attention to anything.

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The corroded screw, along with a few others, holds the IBIS in place to the camera chassis.

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After removing them it became apparent that even screws that looked OK on the surface had some corrosion along the head.

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The sensor itself seems fine, and the film of salt in the two corners of the IBIS doesn’t seem too bad to look at.

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But salt water tends to wick into the areas where it can do the most damage. The sensor / IBIS assembly has to be shimmed to the chassis to keep it appropriately aligned to the lens mount; a tilt of 10 microns might be noticeable. The shims and shim mounts had soaked up salt water to the point they were fusing together; we had to pry the shims off.

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After removal, it becomes evident that the shims and mount areas were much more affected than the film of salt on the back of the sensor assembly suggested.

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The last piece out was the shutter assembly. We had assumed it would be protected, but nope. You can barely see it because I overexposed the picture, but there’s salt over by the motor and gears of the shutter assembly, too.

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So, a Little Detective Work

This camera here was never fully submerged in water; the sensor chamber and viewfinder were clean. The reality is, the entire top assembly was clean except for the edges where water leaked in from the strap lugs or ports. But the bottom and port side was pretty saturated. So the likely scenario was taking pictures near the surf and water splashed up from below and probably behind. Looking at the salt stains on the chassis supports that idea; the bottom and edges are saturated. The edge stains go higher than the lens mount, there would have been marks in the sensor chamber if the camera had sat in water that deep.

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So What Did We Learn Today?

Salt water is really, really bad for cameras. Even in small quantities. Really. Bad. 

If this had been fresh water there’s a chance the camera would have survived. Saltwater, no way.

Trusting ‘weather resistance’ is risky business. 

They all say they have it. But none of them define what it is or how much they have. This camera had easy water access from the battery door, the entire bottom, and around the camera strap lugs that we showed you. It also has two rotating dials that you can pour water through, but this splash didn’t hit those. The viewfinder and hot shoe are a bit leaky, too.

Wiping the camera off carefully and saying it never got sprayed with water isn’t very efficient at anything other than establishing your level of trustworthiness. 

And just before it starts, we don’t discuss interactions with individual customers.

While I rarely defend the service center, there are good reasons why they won’t touch your water damaged camera. 

On the front end, this didn’t look that bad. But repair would have been impossible. You’d have replaced the entire camera except for the viewfinder. Even when it’s less severe, you can never be sure what part has just enough corrosion to fail in another month or two. (That’s why we won’t reuse the viewfinder even though it seems fine.)  As an aside, one of the reasons we’re so vigilant about corrosion is we have seen a lot of cameras that got splashed and seemed fine fail two or six weeks later.

The beach is the sworn enemy of your gear. If the salt-spray doesn’t get you, the sand will. When you go into hostile territory, take appropriate precautions. And yes, Johnny, I know you spend every weekend photographing on the beach and nothing bad has ever happened to your camera. Yet.

 

Roger Cicala and Aaron Closz

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October, 2017

 

Author: Roger Cicala

I’m Roger and I am the founder of Lensrentals.com. Hailed as one of the optic nerds here, I enjoy shooting collimated light through 30X microscope objectives in my spare time. When I do take real pictures I like using something different: a Medium format, or Pentax K1, or a Sony RX1R.

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  • EsaTuunanen

    It’s not cynicism, just accurate observing.

    “The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it.”
    -George Bernard Shaw

  • Anders Burstein

    Sony A7 is not weather resistant at all it is just a little splash proof in some areas…

  • Brian Frappier

    I make up a ‘camera condom’ with saran wrap and tape every year for our local colour festival. People look at my like I am crazy, then I send them your colour race article.

  • James Sarrett

    I have a friend who used to be a tech at Panavision. He said that their recommendation was to soak it in antifreeze (ethylene glycol), *BEFORE* it ever had the chance to dry out. Then send it to the shop still soaking so they could disassemble and clean every part. That’s probably more work than you’ll ever get for a hobbyist camera, but an irreplaceable film camera might be worth it. He told me this after my poor custom Lytro underwater housing had a cut o-ring on the last day of diving, and had dried out and corroded traces on the main PCB. it was a sad day.

    FWIW, salt water corrodes (and dissolves) most metals, but it mostly does the damage while drying out. If you can keep it wet until disassembly that’s probably your best shot, but it’s not a bet you should expect to win very often.

  • Patrick, this is speculation, so don’t take it as The Truth. But since it’s almost certainly going to be dead anyway, I don’t see what you have to lose, honestly.

  • Patrick Veitch

    Hypothetical – if your camera gets saltwater on/in it, is it worth rinsing it in fresh water thoroughly and letting it dry carefully… or are you just wasting your time?

  • harvey

    my em5.2 has gone back to Olympus because it died in a high humidity environment. Came back and it still does it.

  • Giiba

    Think that’s bad. You should see the inside of a camera after a soaking from orange jucie…

  • Eloise

    What about if a bear attacked a rental causing it to get wet? 🙂

  • Achim Schäfer

    In the mid 70s I was taken photos with my Canon FTb (water resistancy wasn’t “invented” yet 🙂 )when I stood near a fire hose that bursted… Both me and the FTb were wet all over… I just dryed first me and then the FTb – and everything was fine again. The cam worked up to 2005 when I sold it to a collector…

    In 2000 I had a big mobile phone (a Siemens P1 digital cell phone, http://www.oebl.de/D-Netz/Geraete/Siemens/P1/P1.html) mounted in the second spare wheel well in the back of my car. In a heavy rain storm the seal of the luggage compartment lid couldn’t resist and the phone body stood in around half an inch of muddy water for some hours… The phone was a total loss – I even tried to clean the PCBs in an ultrasonic bath – corrosion had already done its work…

    Conclusion: clear water isn’t your enemy – but muddy or salty water is one of the worst enemies you can think of!

  • I think by the time a camera gets back to us, there’s no hope. I can’t say there’s hope in seconds. If it happened to me I would immediately turn the camera off, take out the battery, and rinse the area with fresh water. There are videos of, and people who say, dunk the whole camera in fresh water if the splash is bad. Then I’d leave every door and the battery compartment open, dry it thoroughly (probably surround it with silica packets, etc.).

    Would that save the camera? Probably not, but it’s all I can think of. Fresh water, if it’s clean fresh water (rain or snow particularly) is often survivable. Salt water never is.

  • The best way I know, and I shot in some ugly downpours, is to use plastic bags liberally. My opinion (and it’s just that) is weather resistance will keep drops of water out of most places, but soaking is going to break through eventually. If I was shooting near surf I would either use a camera I don’t mind writing off, or have it (and my hands) in a large plastic bag that covers everything but the filter on the front of the lens.

    One other thing that is more about dust and sand, but also when there’s heavy salt mist in the air (you know, you can smell the salty sea smell) is don’t change lenses unless you have a lens change bag. Once that lens is of nothing is protected the slightest bit.

  • Roger Cicala

    The best way I know, and I shot in some ugly downpours, is to use plastic bags liberally. My opinion (and it’s just that) is weather resistance will keep drops of water out of most places, but soaking is going to break through eventually. If I was shooting near surf I would either use a camera I don’t mind writing off, or have it (and my hands) in a large plastic bag that covers everything but the filter on the front of the lens.

    One other thing that is more about dust and sand, but also when there’s heavy salt mist in the air (you know, you can smell the salty sea smell) is don’t change lenses unless you have a lens change bag. Once that lens is of nothing is protected the slightest bit.

  • Roger Cicala

    I think by the time a camera gets back to us, there’s no hope. I can’t say there’s hope in seconds. If it happened to me I would immediately turn the camera off, take out the battery, and rinse the area with fresh water. There are videos of, and people who say, dunk the whole camera in fresh water if the splash is bad. Then I’d leave every door and the battery compartment open, dry it thoroughly (probably surround it with silica packets, etc.).

    Would that save the camera? Probably not, but it’s all I can think of. Fresh water, if it’s clean fresh water (rain or snow particularly) is often survivable. Salt water never is.

  • Kai Harrekilde-Petersen

    Everyone has gone lead-free for several years now, even the Class-III medical devices,
    All thanks to RoHS (and REACH) compliance.

  • Dakota Rakov

    Are there any good ways to make the water resistance better on these cameras? Maybe some wax around things like buttons or battery door? The wheels on top seem pretty impossible. Is there nothing inside the housing where the wheel is?

  • Chik Sum

    that’s a sad ending for a camera! but roger, IF the user just get the salt water splash and send back to you guys acknowledge the problem, are there ways to save for at least some parts to be reusable or even can be repaired with reasonable cost? If so any suggestion on what to do if one have such mishaps to either rental or own cameras for that?

  • I don’t remember seeing a D5 or 1Dx with obvious salt-water damage, but we rent far fewer of those, and I expect the rentals tend to be to more experienced photographers.

  • Scott Daniel

    “You know hope? That happy sensation that life crushes out of you?” Favorite quote! Great knowledge and entertaining too!

  • John Dillworth

    Lets come at this from a different angle. Which high rental cameras have you NOT, seen water damage from? I have heard of people washing salt water off their Canon 1DX with a hose. How do the top of line Canons and Nikons hold up?

  • But, seriously folks, yes, salt water is CAMERA CANCER. Stay away from it. Do not set your camera down on boat railings, or near tide pools. Especially when it’s getting older and all those little rubber ports on the side / bottom aren’t doing their job as well. And if your camera does get splashed, yank the battery and wipe it down with a damp (fresh water, not salt water, duh) cloth immediately.

    …and if your rental camera is truly damaged, don’t be an ass, fess up to it. They’ll know it was you!

  • …Meanwhile, when an Olympus user gets salt water on their camera… https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bf3fe79eb120030056b569dbab608e02b63a9a7bd5623a0663aa83b9c17b0770.jpg

  • “There are all kinds of badness in this one post.”

    Stay cynical, Roger. You make my day.

  • Clayton Taylor

    BUT….if you did, I bet they would report that Gulf Coast salt tastes like crude oil, CA Pacific salt like sunblock, FL salt has a slight hint of cannabis, and Long Island Sound salt tastes like, well, s**t.

  • My background is medical, we have a lot of gross ‘tasting’ jokes. My favorite is that during a lab on urinalysis the professor says “I’m going to demonstrate the importance of using your own senses”, dips his finger in the urine, licks his finger, and says “Ah, the sugary taste that happens with diabetes”. Then instructs each student to taste for themselves. The professor then says “If you’d used your own senses, you would have observed that I dipped my middle finger in the urine, and licked my index finger.” Urban legend of course.

  • Panacea

    The seemingly ridiculous is only so if you haven’t seen it before. And of course the most-parochial minds find it easiest to judge what is and isn’t “common sense” relative to their narrow experiences.

    Hell, when I was in school there existed chemistry professors who still mouth-pipetted toxic (read: most) reagents. Yes, the die-hard old-schooler had to receive special permission from the Dept. to do so. Smelling chemicals (“wafting”) is still a valid technique in some parts.

  • Eli, we do not. Unless the sensor or lens mount is replaced it is not necessary. Realigning an AF sensor in a mirrored SLR is required sometimes, but it has to be done at an authorized service center. It requires computer programs we don’t have access too.

  • Eli Rosenberg

    Hi Roger. In regards to the mount shims — do you regularly have to realign the mount and sensor on your [non soaked] rentals? Do impacts and drops cause the aforementioned 10+ micron mis-alignments?

  • Barbu Mateescu

    Royal water is a bit tastier than acetic acid.
    (unbelievable to live in a world where even the jokes need to be signaled…)

  • md23

    Re service centers playing the water damage card… absolutely. Nikon Canada once cheated me out of a warranty repair for a misfiring hot-shoe, claiming that it had suffered moisture damage. The camera was less than one month old and had never been even close to water. “Maybe your bag is not ventilated enough” was the best response the rep could muster. (The camera has since been close to water plenty of times, and has even suffered a splash of saltwater that doesn’t seem to have left any permanent damage, not even to the hot-shoe).

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