Teardowns and Disassembly

Taking Apart The Sony A7rIII – In Search of Better Weather Sealing

Published February 20, 2018

Weather resistant – A term that consumers falsely define as ‘weatherproof’ and camera companies accurately define as ‘the warranty doesn’t cover water damage’.    The Cynic’s Photography Dictionary

The Sony A7R III has been out for quite a while. Generally, it’s a superbly popular camera with excellent reviews. We were busy moving to a bigger office, and then catching up from moving when it was released, so doing a teardown wasn’t high on our list of things that needed doing. And the good folks at Kolarivision did an excellent teardown, so we didn’t feel any need to rush.

We’ve dealt with a number of water damaged A7 cameras in the past and have a bit more knowledge of where the leaks have occurred, so we wanted to look for ourselves. Plus, we wanted just see all the complicated goodness inside. Now that things have slowed down we decided to take a look.

This will end up being a useful post for those of you who need to venture out into the elements with your camera. Sony has, as they said, markedly improved the weather resistance on this camera. They also left a screaming ‘leak here’ gap in the sealing that you can probably address yourself.

Before we start, let’s look at the obvious openings. First is one of the things we’re enthusiastic about; the memory card door. Yeah, I know, we have no life. But the new design incorporates a latch which is a very good thing. The old design had you pushing on the leatherette over the door to open it which both stressed the hinges and wore out the leatherette.

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There’s also nice, thick weather sealing all around the inside of the door.

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I won’t show you the port doors; when they’re closed, they provide a tight seal. When they’re open, they don’t – because ports. You don’t need a tear down to see that.

The battery door is remodeled and seems to have a bit of extra support which is a good thing. It has nice thick weather sealing (red line) everywhere but the latch and hinge area.

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The battery door is an area where we’ve seen leaks on the A7sII. And yes, we double checked, and there’s no seal on the camera side of the door. So significant improvements on the memory card door, but not on the battery door.

Let’s start with the bad part and get it out of the way, because other than that they’ve done a superb job sealing up this camera. We took out the screws holding the bottom makeup plate.

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This is another area where we’ve seen leaking, so we expected some good weather sealing added around here. But, as is so often the case, our expectations were a down payment on disappointment. Alas, just plastic edges like the previous cameras. While plastic edges, tightly overlapping, can provide some water resistance, past experience assures us that the A7R series don’t. (That makes sense, they are neither tightly fitted nor do they have a large overlap.)

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The metal tripod mounting plate lifts up next, it’s nice and sturdy with cheese-plate holes to keep it light and let the water flow unimpeded into the camera.

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The actual tripod socket has good news and bad news. The good news: it’s a separate piece and therefore easy (and in theory inexpensive) to replace if needed. The bad news is the top is a thin pressed plate, and if your tripod has a slightly too-long screw, it will pop the top right off. Then the top rattles around inside the camera causing shorts and such. (Yes, we’ve seen it, and it’s not limited to Sony by any means. A lot of tripod sockets are made this way.)

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Never had this happen? Lucky you. If it ever does, I’d suggest following our simple steps to this point and shaking the piece out of the camera. No good can ever come of having a piece of metal rolling around in an electronic device. No good at all.

Speaking of where that metal piece could go let’s look at what’s under that metal plate.

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There are two black pieces of heat transfer tape. In between those you can see the flat plates of the sensor / IBIS assembly. The black above those is the imaging chamber and shutter assembly. So if that metal top gets popped off, or water comes in, this is The Highway to Hell, straight into the heart of the camera.

In case you can’t tell, I’m pretty unhappy with the bottom design of the Sony A7rIII. There’s absolutely no protection or improvement over the Sony A7rII. Now the case designers (and most of you) are probably aware that rain falls down from the sky onto the top of the camera. The repair people (like us) are aware that people set cameras down and puddles occur; also splashes go up, and sometimes cameras are held in portrait mode. In other words, a liquid will find your weakest point.

There’s good news coming, though, the rest of the disassembly shows careful and thorough water resistant measures. The A7R III bottom plate engineering team apparently didn’t get the memo, but I bet the A7s III will have some sealing down here.

Let’s Look at the Back Panel

The next order of business is taking the back off. Right from the start, we could see some changes and improvements had been made. For one thing, the back panel is a single assembly in this camera; previously the LCD and viewfinder areas were separate. That’s a good thing for disassembly and a good thing for sealing.

We removed the pop-off eyepiece and diopter adjustment wheel. There’s a very nice thick rubber seal under the wheel.

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There are several visible back screws, but removing them didn’t let the back come off. Sony likes to include a secret screw or two in all their cameras, and this one is no exception. There’s a screw holding the back on at the top of the battery compartment.

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And in a new move for Sony, there are screws under the grip leatherette. This is normal in SLR cameras, but not so much in mirrorless.

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With all the screws finally removed the back comes off, with a long folded flex connecting the viewfinder and back-panel buttons to the main PCB.

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The inside of the back gives a better look at how many circuits are traveling through that one flex. But this is nice engineering, making things simple to repair or replace.  (Note the metal covers screwed down on the left over the button assemblies; we’ll be looking under there in a minute.)

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Notice the gray piece at the bottom of the flex – that’s a weather seal protecting the opening where the flex travels to the LCD. It’s a nice thick piece of foam that should protect very well.

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The I/O (input-output) port panel comes right out when the back is off. Note again there is no weather sealing around the panel or around the ports as they pass through the panel. So if you’re in bad weather don’t use the ports and make sure the caps are all closed. The caps are good weather protection, but they are the only weather protection in this area.

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On the other side, the inner card door plate takes a little coaxing to snap out. You can see the thorough weather seals around the card slots. There is no sealing between the plate and the camera body, but the grip rubber overlaps that area, and it’s a pretty tight fit, as we mentioned.

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Removing those metal button assembly covers was a rather involved task; they’re all interlocking. I’m not going to show you the 27 color photos with circles and arrows and a paragraph explaining each step; I’ll just say don’t try it at home. Once we got them off, we could see a lot of care was taken in making the back of the camera weather resistant. The joystick button, for example, sets into the rubber cover that you actually touch. That cover is tightly placed in a rubber seal vulcanized to the back of the camera.

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The scroll wheel does come all the way through the back cover but has rubber seals where it mounts, and they are held down very tightly. Again, I can’t see any water coming through here.

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We love the modular assembly of the dials, but it does allow one untoward possibility. If you get distracted while reassembling all those buttons and metal plates, you get to take everything apart and do it again.

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Even the small push buttons are entirely rubber sealed.

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Way back in the day, we took apart an A7R and remarked that it was amazing how simple and how few pieces it had compared to a DSLR. Let’s take a second just to look at the back panel assembly of the A7R III and see how much more complex it is. The entire A7R had 29 screws of three sizes. The back panel alone, on the A7R III has 21 screws of four sizes.

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Back to the Camera

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The piece that holds the viewfinder in the top assembly has complete sealing around the edges.

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As does the viewfinder itself.

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With that covering piece removed, the viewfinder slides right out.

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The usual obvious screws and not-so-obvious screws were removed (one was down behind the viewfinder ) and the top assembly came off.

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There was impressive weather sealing around the scroll buttons. We didn’t disassemble the top further – it’s a pain to do and for repairs, the part is ‘the top assembly’. In retrospect this may have been a mistake; we didn’t look at how well the scroll wheels were sealed, just the area around them.

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Next was the routine of unhooking flexes and removing screws to get the main board off.

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Back in the day of the A7R, we loved the simplicity and direct layout of Sony cameras. Whether it’s the increased complexity, or the addition of some ex-Nikon engineers to their team (Nikon cameras are marvelous things, but their engineers never take a straight path from A to B when they can find a way to wrap a wire around the entire camera twice) or just the fact that things are so much more complex, that elegant layout is long gone. Here we have flexes going in every direction, including one that is about 7 inches long winding up from below through a slot in the board and taking four turns and giving off a tributary before it plugs in.

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Of course, it makes no difference in how well the camera works, but the newer Sony cameras are starting to look like their software menus – complex and what you’re looking for isn’t readily apparent.

A look at the main board shows that, with the exception of the microphone jack, all the ports are soldered to the board, so if you tug on one a bit too hard, you get to buy a new main board. Same with the memory card readers. I get this – it allows this all to be assembled by machine, but mainboard replacements are a lot pricier than a port or card subassembly replacement.

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Now that the board is off, we’re really close to the working parts of the camera. You can see a shiny copper shield, as long as Aaron holds The FlexRiver out of the way. We’re looking at the back of the sensor / IBIS assembly, and you can see, almost straight down from Aaron’s thumb, one of the three mounting points of the assembly to the chassis.

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Here’s a close-up of the mount. Each of the three points is shimmed to align the sensor with the lens mount, so there’s hopefully no tilt between the two. This shim is .45 mm.

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The shield plate comes off next.

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Underneath it is the date-time-menu save battery. I think it’s safe to say you won’t be replacing it at home when it goes dead.

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Now we have a direct look at the back of the sensor / IBIS assembly. Looking at the flexes gives you an idea of the amount of information transfer that’s going on. There’s some heat transfer tape going over to the camera chassis since that amount of transfer is undoubtedly going generate a bunch of heat.

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For those of you who like to keep up with who makes what, a close up of the shutter assembly.

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Now it’s time to take out the three screws that hold the sensor assembly to the chassis. Note to those of you following along at home: make sure you keep the shims identified by location. This set ranged from .45mm to .05mm. If you put them back wrong, your pictures will be crooked.

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A closeup gives you an idea of how thick the shims are.

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Once the screws are out the sensor / IBIS assembly lifts right off.

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The actual sensor is dwarfed by the stabilizing system behind it.

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From the side, you can see the two main stabilizer plates which travel in offset arcs so the sensor can be moved in any direction.

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The amount of sensor movement that an IBIS has always surprises me. I mentally picture it moving a fraction of a mm, but the range is far greater than that.

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What’s left on the table is the back of the front, with a sensors-eye view of the back of the camera cap.

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We actually did disassemble the battery compartment, which has several sensors in it, but it’s boring, and this post has gone on long enough. We’ve seen what we came to see.

So What Did We Learn Today?

Sony spoke truly. Except for the bottom this camera has thorough and extensive weather sealing, as good as any camera I’ve seen. (Before you Pentax guys start, I have not taken apart a Pentax so it may be completely sealed in a super glue matrix for all I know.)

That being said, the bottom of the camera is not protected worth a damn. If you’re out in a sprinkle or shower, this probably doesn’t matter; water hits the top first. But if you’re in severe weather, near surf, or might set your camera down where someone might spill something, you need to be aware of that. If I knew I was heading out in such conditions, honestly I’d tape up the bottom of the camera or encase it in plastic taped all around the body. Yeah, battery changes will be a pain, but the new battery is supposed to last a lot longer.

The water challenge test done by the good guys at Imaging Resource provides further evidence that this is so. They expressed some concern about the top right-hand dial, and while we saw good seals under the dial, we didn’t disassembly the dial itself.

And, of course, the port covers have to be snapped shut to keep water out. If you’re out in weather and just have to use a port, then you’d better do what I do and put the camera in a plastic bag. It’s not how great is the weather sealing at the weather sealed places. It’s how bad is the weather sealing at the most unsealed places.

One thing I would like to emphasize for the fun of it. The difference in complexity between the A7R and the A7R III is really quite amazing. If you have a minute, go over to that old blog post and do a quick comparison.

 

Roger Cicala and Aaron Closz

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February, 2018

Author: Roger Cicala

I’m Roger and I am the founder of Lensrentals.com. Hailed as one of the optic nerds here, I enjoy shooting collimated light through 30X microscope objectives in my spare time. When I do take real pictures I like using something different: a Medium format, or Pentax K1, or a Sony RX1R.

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  • Don Westheimer

    It’s not just about weather and water. 2 days ago I was in the Sumatran rainforest shooting orangutangs. Very warm and ridiculous humidity. I found that while viewing through viewfinder while hot and sweaty, the view would become fogged and indeed the exposures we’re fogged as well. After reading your analysis I have to believe my breath was getting to the sensor through the base of the camera. When I composed using the display the fogging didn’t occur.

  • Lotus Eater

    But look at the Sony A6500…

  • Scott Kirkpatrick

    I know, I know! I remember the circles and arrows, too.

  • Scott Kirkpatrick

    A control wheel with all the shutter speeds or exposure compensations marked on it would seem to need a rigid connection (hard to seal), while an unmarked wheel that just moves some internal counter a number of clicks might not. It could just nudge a button inside with each click.

  • James; you, Frank, and I may be the only ones here who would know what glossy photos were.

  • Franck, you’d be welcome here at the Group W workbench!

  • I hadn’t every really thought about pop-in batteries but it seems they could be well sealed with a nice rubber lip. Then again, battery doors could be better sealed if they wanted to seal them.

    Push buttons and joystick buttons are easy to seal. I’m not as sure about scroll wheels.

  • kai.deus

    Looking at the IBIS assembly it should be clear, that the demand for IBIS in every camera is not really realistic. Look at how big the fuji x-h1 has gotten with IBIS. I imagine a x-t3 would need to be a complete redesign to fit IBIS in a “x-t2” body.

  • Scott Kirkpatrick

    Great post as usual. Seeing that the not very watertight bottom of the Sonys uses a hinged battery door — what is your opinion on hinged doors over the battery compartment vs pop-in batteries with their own exterior sealing surface (Leica SL and probably others)? Hinged doors help the consumer to use reasonably standard batteries with backup sources; pop-ins will always cost much more, but look more sealed.
    And have you looked over the New Leica CL with its two top knobs that turn and have buttons in their centers? Nothing is labelled so it’s just sensors timing push or counting rotate steps — is that hard to seal?

  • Franck Mée

    Hey Roger,

    I’m going to the US next month, would you like me to bring an old K10D so you can finally tick the “taking apart a Pentax” box in your resume? 😉
    Might not be a good idea though: if I come through the customs and say “this old camera? Well, Roger and I just want to take it apart, we wanna see wires and rubber joints and motherboards in our screwdrivers, I mean, take it apart, take it apart, TAKE IT APART”, they might hold me on a group W bench and send me back to where I come from.

    Anyway, enlightening reading as usual, thanks!

  • Barbu Mateescu

    German whisky? And American beer? Oh no…

  • James

    color “glossy” photos

  • Thinkinginpictures

    I take my cameras apart with Walmart screw drivers…..while drinking German whisky.

  • Thinkinginpictures

    “Note to those of you following along at home: make sure you keep the shims identified by location.”

    Dang it!

  • Ketan Gajria

    Thanks, this is helpful.

  • T N Args

    This drawing : https://goo.gl/images/FjGrQ1 shows the vertical grip and its sealing, which raises the possibility that adding the grip might improve the weather resistance. If not, it would certainly make it easy to tape up the joint for an outing in really bad conditions.

  • You know certain people have ‘favorite screwdrivers’. Sad, isn’t it? To have a favorite screwdriver?

  • We actually repair, replace, and retap a ton of tripod sockets. They’re perfectly capable of hanging the camera from all day long. That doesn’t mean they’re fine for hanging the camera and attached 70-200 lens, etc.

  • TechUnSupport

    A lot of photographers now a day use something like BlackRapid or similar which is a sling over shoulder and the other end connected to the camera via tripod hole, which means the camera will be up-side down when it is not in use. Even without the sling, camera will be hold on the grip, and when in idle position, it will be held side way(grip side up), meaning water still be leaking(dripping) in anyway.

  • DONOTUNPLUG

    Rojer – thanks for another solid teardown, very informative!

    Question regarding the tripod socket, given this teardown: what are your thoughts on carrying the camera via strap/clip/whatever that uses the tripod socket as the only attachment point? As opposed to the standard strap loops, that is? Do you guys see/repair many of these sockets? I ask because there are lots of straps (especially those designed for double camera carry) that rely on just the tripod socket as the only anchor and it would seem that at some point something would give – true or too paranoid? I’ve had no issues with using PeakDesign Capture Clip on Sony’s MK2 bodies, but thinking about carrying a heavier lens (new 24-105) on the A7Riii, supported only by the tripod socket.

  • Brandon Dube

    I spy a fancy, overpriced german made screwdriver in image #9 🙂

  • Daniel Ockeloen

    From what we have seen its nearly the same body, only 1mm thicker. Probably designed at the same time i would bet its the same in most parts… Well it was one extra dial that could be a problem 🙂

  • I don’t know for certain, but it looks like it would help.

  • Ketan Gajria

    Roger, I keep the Sony battery grip on the A7R III almost always. Would that provide any sort of protection or not? I have had to use my 5D IV and OMD EM1-2 in the rain quite a bit but am a bit wary with the Sony after seeing the tests.

  • Daniel Ockeloen

    So Roger how do you feel about putting a rubber sheet between a l-bracket and the bottom? I did that inside my really right stuff one just based on gut feeling… good or bad ?

  • Tony Thompson

    Any idea how this weather sealing compares to the A9 ?

  • obican

    Roger Cicala (from Lensrentals.com) says that A7RIII is the final nail in the coffin of DSLR as it now has a greater number of screws holding it together.

    Also Sony has hired all of Nikon’s engineers.

  • Stanislaw Zolczynski

    On the question why not Pentax they answered – because it`s not relevant.

  • Adam, that’s the Imaging Resource article I was referring to. For those who haven’t seen it, it’s informative, well done, and I think maybe going to set standards for this kind of testing. Kudos to them.

  • Adam Sanford

    “That being said, the bottom of the camera is not protected worth a damn.”

    A recent test of some FF ILCs showed as much. Water was found in the battery compartment of the A7R3. Informally conducted, of course, but still worth a look:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7BG74w0gAw

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