Teardowns and Disassembly

Taking Apart The Sony A7rIII – In Search of Better Weather Sealing

Published February 20, 2018

Weather resistant – A term that consumers falsely define as ‘weatherproof’ and camera companies accurately define as ‘the warranty doesn’t cover water damage’.    The Cynic’s Photography Dictionary

The Sony A7R III has been out for quite a while. Generally, it’s a superbly popular camera with excellent reviews. We were busy moving to a bigger office, and then catching up from moving when it was released, so doing a teardown wasn’t high on our list of things that needed doing. And the good folks at Kolarivision did an excellent teardown, so we didn’t feel any need to rush.

We’ve dealt with a number of water damaged A7 cameras in the past and have a bit more knowledge of where the leaks have occurred, so we wanted to look for ourselves. Plus, we wanted just see all the complicated goodness inside. Now that things have slowed down we decided to take a look.

This will end up being a useful post for those of you who need to venture out into the elements with your camera. Sony has, as they said, markedly improved the weather resistance on this camera. They also left a screaming ‘leak here’ gap in the sealing that you can probably address yourself.

Before we start, let’s look at the obvious openings. First is one of the things we’re enthusiastic about; the memory card door. Yeah, I know, we have no life. But the new design incorporates a latch which is a very good thing. The old design had you pushing on the leatherette over the door to open it which both stressed the hinges and wore out the leatherette.

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There’s also nice, thick weather sealing all around the inside of the door.

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I won’t show you the port doors; when they’re closed, they provide a tight seal. When they’re open, they don’t – because ports. You don’t need a tear down to see that.

The battery door is remodeled and seems to have a bit of extra support which is a good thing. It has nice thick weather sealing (red line) everywhere but the latch and hinge area.

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The battery door is an area where we’ve seen leaks on the A7sII. And yes, we double checked, and there’s no seal on the camera side of the door. So significant improvements on the memory card door, but not on the battery door.

Let’s start with the bad part and get it out of the way, because other than that they’ve done a superb job sealing up this camera. We took out the screws holding the bottom makeup plate.

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This is another area where we’ve seen leaking, so we expected some good weather sealing added around here. But, as is so often the case, our expectations were a down payment on disappointment. Alas, just plastic edges like the previous cameras. While plastic edges, tightly overlapping, can provide some water resistance, past experience assures us that the A7R series don’t. (That makes sense, they are neither tightly fitted nor do they have a large overlap.)

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The metal tripod mounting plate lifts up next, it’s nice and sturdy with cheese-plate holes to keep it light and let the water flow unimpeded into the camera.

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The actual tripod socket has good news and bad news. The good news: it’s a separate piece and therefore easy (and in theory inexpensive) to replace if needed. The bad news is the top is a thin pressed plate, and if your tripod has a slightly too-long screw, it will pop the top right off. Then the top rattles around inside the camera causing shorts and such. (Yes, we’ve seen it, and it’s not limited to Sony by any means. A lot of tripod sockets are made this way.)

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Never had this happen? Lucky you. If it ever does, I’d suggest following our simple steps to this point and shaking the piece out of the camera. No good can ever come of having a piece of metal rolling around in an electronic device. No good at all.

Speaking of where that metal piece could go let’s look at what’s under that metal plate.

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There are two black pieces of heat transfer tape. In between those you can see the flat plates of the sensor / IBIS assembly. The black above those is the imaging chamber and shutter assembly. So if that metal top gets popped off, or water comes in, this is The Highway to Hell, straight into the heart of the camera.

In case you can’t tell, I’m pretty unhappy with the bottom design of the Sony A7rIII. There’s absolutely no protection or improvement over the Sony A7rII. Now the case designers (and most of you) are probably aware that rain falls down from the sky onto the top of the camera. The repair people (like us) are aware that people set cameras down and puddles occur; also splashes go up, and sometimes cameras are held in portrait mode. In other words, a liquid will find your weakest point.

There’s good news coming, though, the rest of the disassembly shows careful and thorough water resistant measures. The A7R III bottom plate engineering team apparently didn’t get the memo, but I bet the A7s III will have some sealing down here.

Let’s Look at the Back Panel

The next order of business is taking the back off. Right from the start, we could see some changes and improvements had been made. For one thing, the back panel is a single assembly in this camera; previously the LCD and viewfinder areas were separate. That’s a good thing for disassembly and a good thing for sealing.

We removed the pop-off eyepiece and diopter adjustment wheel. There’s a very nice thick rubber seal under the wheel.

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There are several visible back screws, but removing them didn’t let the back come off. Sony likes to include a secret screw or two in all their cameras, and this one is no exception. There’s a screw holding the back on at the top of the battery compartment.

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And in a new move for Sony, there are screws under the grip leatherette. This is normal in SLR cameras, but not so much in mirrorless.

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With all the screws finally removed the back comes off, with a long folded flex connecting the viewfinder and back-panel buttons to the main PCB.

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The inside of the back gives a better look at how many circuits are traveling through that one flex. But this is nice engineering, making things simple to repair or replace.  (Note the metal covers screwed down on the left over the button assemblies; we’ll be looking under there in a minute.)

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Notice the gray piece at the bottom of the flex – that’s a weather seal protecting the opening where the flex travels to the LCD. It’s a nice thick piece of foam that should protect very well.

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The I/O (input-output) port panel comes right out when the back is off. Note again there is no weather sealing around the panel or around the ports as they pass through the panel. So if you’re in bad weather don’t use the ports and make sure the caps are all closed. The caps are good weather protection, but they are the only weather protection in this area.

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On the other side, the inner card door plate takes a little coaxing to snap out. You can see the thorough weather seals around the card slots. There is no sealing between the plate and the camera body, but the grip rubber overlaps that area, and it’s a pretty tight fit, as we mentioned.

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Removing those metal button assembly covers was a rather involved task; they’re all interlocking. I’m not going to show you the 27 color photos with circles and arrows and a paragraph explaining each step; I’ll just say don’t try it at home. Once we got them off, we could see a lot of care was taken in making the back of the camera weather resistant. The joystick button, for example, sets into the rubber cover that you actually touch. That cover is tightly placed in a rubber seal vulcanized to the back of the camera.

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The scroll wheel does come all the way through the back cover but has rubber seals where it mounts, and they are held down very tightly. Again, I can’t see any water coming through here.

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We love the modular assembly of the dials, but it does allow one untoward possibility. If you get distracted while reassembling all those buttons and metal plates, you get to take everything apart and do it again.

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Even the small push buttons are entirely rubber sealed.

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Way back in the day, we took apart an A7R and remarked that it was amazing how simple and how few pieces it had compared to a DSLR. Let’s take a second just to look at the back panel assembly of the A7R III and see how much more complex it is. The entire A7R had 29 screws of three sizes. The back panel alone, on the A7R III has 21 screws of four sizes.

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Back to the Camera

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The piece that holds the viewfinder in the top assembly has complete sealing around the edges.

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As does the viewfinder itself.

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With that covering piece removed, the viewfinder slides right out.

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The usual obvious screws and not-so-obvious screws were removed (one was down behind the viewfinder ) and the top assembly came off.

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There was impressive weather sealing around the scroll buttons. We didn’t disassemble the top further – it’s a pain to do and for repairs, the part is ‘the top assembly’. In retrospect this may have been a mistake; we didn’t look at how well the scroll wheels were sealed, just the area around them.

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Next was the routine of unhooking flexes and removing screws to get the main board off.

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Back in the day of the A7R, we loved the simplicity and direct layout of Sony cameras. Whether it’s the increased complexity, or the addition of some ex-Nikon engineers to their team (Nikon cameras are marvelous things, but their engineers never take a straight path from A to B when they can find a way to wrap a wire around the entire camera twice) or just the fact that things are so much more complex, that elegant layout is long gone. Here we have flexes going in every direction, including one that is about 7 inches long winding up from below through a slot in the board and taking four turns and giving off a tributary before it plugs in.

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Of course, it makes no difference in how well the camera works, but the newer Sony cameras are starting to look like their software menus – complex and what you’re looking for isn’t readily apparent.

A look at the main board shows that, with the exception of the microphone jack, all the ports are soldered to the board, so if you tug on one a bit too hard, you get to buy a new main board. Same with the memory card readers. I get this – it allows this all to be assembled by machine, but mainboard replacements are a lot pricier than a port or card subassembly replacement.

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Now that the board is off, we’re really close to the working parts of the camera. You can see a shiny copper shield, as long as Aaron holds The FlexRiver out of the way. We’re looking at the back of the sensor / IBIS assembly, and you can see, almost straight down from Aaron’s thumb, one of the three mounting points of the assembly to the chassis.

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Here’s a close-up of the mount. Each of the three points is shimmed to align the sensor with the lens mount, so there’s hopefully no tilt between the two. This shim is .45 mm.

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The shield plate comes off next.

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Underneath it is the date-time-menu save battery. I think it’s safe to say you won’t be replacing it at home when it goes dead.

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Now we have a direct look at the back of the sensor / IBIS assembly. Looking at the flexes gives you an idea of the amount of information transfer that’s going on. There’s some heat transfer tape going over to the camera chassis since that amount of transfer is undoubtedly going generate a bunch of heat.

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For those of you who like to keep up with who makes what, a close up of the shutter assembly.

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Now it’s time to take out the three screws that hold the sensor assembly to the chassis. Note to those of you following along at home: make sure you keep the shims identified by location. This set ranged from .45mm to .05mm. If you put them back wrong, your pictures will be crooked.

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A closeup gives you an idea of how thick the shims are.

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Once the screws are out the sensor / IBIS assembly lifts right off.

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The actual sensor is dwarfed by the stabilizing system behind it.

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From the side, you can see the two main stabilizer plates which travel in offset arcs so the sensor can be moved in any direction.

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The amount of sensor movement that an IBIS has always surprises me. I mentally picture it moving a fraction of a mm, but the range is far greater than that.

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What’s left on the table is the back of the front, with a sensors-eye view of the back of the camera cap.

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We actually did disassemble the battery compartment, which has several sensors in it, but it’s boring, and this post has gone on long enough. We’ve seen what we came to see.

So What Did We Learn Today?

Sony spoke truly. Except for the bottom this camera has thorough and extensive weather sealing, as good as any camera I’ve seen. (Before you Pentax guys start, I have not taken apart a Pentax so it may be completely sealed in a super glue matrix for all I know.)

That being said, the bottom of the camera is not protected worth a damn. If you’re out in a sprinkle or shower, this probably doesn’t matter; water hits the top first. But if you’re in severe weather, near surf, or might set your camera down where someone might spill something, you need to be aware of that. If I knew I was heading out in such conditions, honestly I’d tape up the bottom of the camera or encase it in plastic taped all around the body. Yeah, battery changes will be a pain, but the new battery is supposed to last a lot longer.

The water challenge test done by the good guys at Imaging Resource provides further evidence that this is so. They expressed some concern about the top right-hand dial, and while we saw good seals under the dial, we didn’t disassembly the dial itself.

And, of course, the port covers have to be snapped shut to keep water out. If you’re out in weather and just have to use a port, then you’d better do what I do and put the camera in a plastic bag. It’s not how great is the weather sealing at the weather sealed places. It’s how bad is the weather sealing at the most unsealed places.

One thing I would like to emphasize for the fun of it. The difference in complexity between the A7R and the A7R III is really quite amazing. If you have a minute, go over to that old blog post and do a quick comparison.

 

Roger Cicala and Aaron Closz

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February, 2018

Author: Roger Cicala

I’m Roger and I am the founder of Lensrentals.com. Hailed as one of the optic nerds here, I enjoy shooting collimated light through 30X microscope objectives in my spare time. When I do take real pictures I like using something different: a Medium format, or Pentax K1, or a Sony RX1R.

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  • The edges of the top plate are well sealed. We did not disassemble the top plate and in retrospect probably should have. But they are a total pain to take apart and put back together and we assumed (given the back assembly) it would be well sealed. But, as has been pointed out, the scroll wheel could be leaky and we wouldn’t know. So once again – assumptions were a bad thing.

  • soundofvoid

    How about actually making something to seal the bottom? A pre-cut self adhesive foam piece so that anyone can unscrew the bottom and weather seal the camera?

  • Lotus Eater

    Are you on firmware 1.05?

  • Berni Davis

    Hi

    Why not just use a smear of silicone sealant round the base plate?

    Great posting!

    Many thanks

  • Gergö Nyirö

    The A6500 is not that smooth because of the limited area of movement in video but I do get sharp results down to 1/8 s with stills.

  • Jimmy

    Roger, there’s not much mention of the top plate but that’s what gets hit the most. Are you confident the top is well-sealed, for example the C1/C2 buttons, the shutter button, mode dial, speaker on the left side, etc…

  • This comment thread is so screwed up.

  • Dragon

    Seems like a lens mount is something that would be machined on both faces and should be accurate to 1/000th of an inch or so, but I guess I haven’t paid that much attention to how cameras are actually built to get the cost out.

  • Gergö Nyirö

    I think that’s pretty much the case sadly..

  • Still thinking

    Great article as always, Roger!

    Loved the sideways nod to Alice’s Restaurant 😉

  • Lotus Eater

    Does it? Both the A6500 and Fuji’s latest are rated at 5 stops.

  • Gergö Nyirö

    ..which has a much less effective IBIS system especially because of the shrinkage

  • I think even more than that is the lens mount attached to the front of the camera. Even if the sensor mounts were finely machined, that lens mount is still a variable thing, and the adjustment is sensor and lens mount aligned. The camera is just the place those things mount to 🙂

    Some camera both lens mount and sensor are shimmed, but most it’s just put the lens mount on and then align the sensor to it.

  • It might well. But that means they’re depending on air circulation within the camera to dissipate heat. Can’t say I’m a big fan of air circulating in the camera.

  • Dragon

    Maybe mounting the sensor to the PCB isn’t all that accurate (solder thickness) so if you are going to have shims anyway, why bother to machine the casting. Just thought it was interesting because raw die castings are pretty unpredictable dimensionally. Thanks for the insight.

  • Thinkinginpictures

    Any chance the lack of weather sealing below has to do with facilitating heat dissipation?

  • I don’t know of any camera that doesn’t either shim the sensor, or have adjustable spring-loaded screws to level the sensor.

  • Dragon

    Interesting that they use shims on the back side of a die casting to compensate for shrinkage rather than just machining both faces of the casting. Hard to believe the shim approach is much cheaper unless these things are made in Bangladesh.

  • For me, and apparently I’m the only person on the planet who feels this way, if I’m out in weather my camera is in a plastic bag, hole cut out for the lens and rubber band around it. I actually (gasp) carry a plastic bag or two and a couple of rubber bands in my camera bag. Because weather.

  • First, I need to sell this bridge in Brooklyn I just bought.

  • Oh man, I was sort of hoping you’d give some ideas for a permanent fix for that bottom plate- “They also left a screaming ‘leak here’ gap in the sealing that you can probably address yourself.”

  • I don’t see any way it could hurt, and it might well help a lot.

  • Huge Daniel

    I put A7R III on wet suface or snow many times.
    but my camera had no problems whatsoever.
    In the past, Sony’s smartphone engineer informed me about water repellent technology.
    I think that the bottom this camera is possibly applied this technology…
    Roger,would you please analyze it.

  • Then you, sir, may join us at the Group W workbench!

  • Thinkinginpictures

    About Walmart screwdrivers? Really good deal. I’d say a thrifty person would boast about that.

  • Munchma Quchi
  • Munchma Quchi

    Only a drunk would boast about that.

  • Munchma Quchi

    The headline should read “Sony – More Screwy Than Ever”

  • Notna

    Oh Sony. The stuff they make is good in so many ways, but there’s always some major flaw bringing it down. Like when they make an excellent telezoom, and it’s held together by a much too dinky aluminum disc. Someone should tell them a chain is only as strong as its weakest link.

  • kai.deus

    I do not mean, that it is not possible. I mean, that it is not so easy as some people claim by simply demanding IBIS for every camera. It can be integrated in a small camera, however the engineering is hard.

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