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Sony FE 85mm f/1.4 GMaster Emergency Tear Down

Published April 12, 2016
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OK, I usually don’t respond to requests to disassemble things. I have a day job and the blog stuff is my hobby. But every so often the Bat Signal get’s raised over Gotham Internet and Aaron and I feel the need to fight the crime of massive overreaction and stomp out the flames of speculation-becoming-fact. I woke up yesterday to read that all Sony’s new 85mm f/1.4 G Master lenses made horrible grinding noises when focusing, were filled with metal shavings, had huge scrapes on their inner barrels, and caused cancer.

Before we get to myth busting, a couple of facts that I’ve gleaned from simply examining and testing 40+ copies of the 85mm f/1.4 GMaster.

  • The Piezo (or SSM if you prefer) ring-linear drive does make noise. It’s noticeable. Every copy I’ve tried does to some degree, although some are louder than others. HOWEVER, if the camera is put in video mode the AF slows down and the noise is markedly reduced. So photo mode fast and noisy, video mode slower and quiet. That’s logical.
  • Every 85mm wide-aperture lens I’ve ever looked in has some dust inside, NIB and no matter the brand. It’s partly because this type of lens has a front group that magnifies the interior. If yours doesn’t have dust in it then you don’t have a bright enough light to fuel your dust paranoia properly.
  • Just over half of the 85mm f/1.4 G Master lenses I’ve looked at have some marks on the inner focusing barrel that look like either scrapes or lubricant. These don’t make any more or less noise than ones without marks. Also, a fair number have marks on only the lower part of the barrel. These are no noisier over the marked part than over the unmarked part. In other words, I didn’t find any association between barrel marks and noise.

So with all this in mind, Aaron and I put on our capes, grabbed our utility belts, went down to the Lens Cave and got to work. We picked a copy that had the typical ‘scrape’ marks that everyone is upset about.

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Before we start let me mention that this is a rather urgent tear-down of a lens we had to get back in stock, so we didn’t do quite as much exploring as we sometimes do. Still, I think you’ll find it interesting.

So Let’s Look Inside

The rear light baffle comes off with three screws. Yes, I’m snarky for putting up this unnecessary picture.

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Next, the rear bayonet is removed in the usual fashion, exposing the rear of the lens. We noted the PCB is different than we’ve seen in other Sony FE lenses; It’s smaller and screw mounted to the rear, rather than with rubber bumpers like the others we’ve opened. There are also silver shims or spacers on each side of the lens, which we assume allow a tilt adjustment (you can see there are two on the left, one on the right).

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Once the PCB is removed, taking out a few screws let us remove the rear barrel.

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The inner rear barrel is now exposed. There are two (one shows in the pictures) long copper ground leads that go back up to the bayonet mount, and several flex connectors that went up to the main PCB, but not much else of interest showing at this point.

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The aperture ring slides off now. It has a nice mechanical feel and  you can see the usual click ball bearing inside, but it controls the aperture electronically.

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On the inner barrel is a wedge (forceps point to it) that moves the ball bearing in and out of ‘click’ position so that you can declick the aperture when you want. You can see the little silver lever right above the ‘click on-off’ switch that moves this when you flip the switch.

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On the other side is the aperture position sensor that actually tells the camera what position the aperture ring is set to.

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You might have noticed a black plastic cover over a second circuit board in the image above. Removing the cover shows us another circuit board tucked down around the barrel which caused Aaron to have some Nikon disassembly flashbacks.

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Luckily it wasn’t that bad; there were not a bunch of soldered wires going to the second board, just flexes.

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And once all of that stuff had been disconnected we could take out a few more screws and remove the inner rear barrel.

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This gives us a good look at the SSM (aka ring-piezo) motor. This is smaller than the ring USM motors we’re used to seeing in other lenses, but otherwise very similar.

 

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While we could have taken the rear group off now (you can see one of its mounting screws in the image above) it was obviously not going to get us where we wanted to be, so we turned the lens over and spannered off the front makeup ring.

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When it was removed we saw a nice, thick, rubber sealing ring around the front element. This is actually light blue in color in room light, but under the tungsten work lights, it takes on  a rather cool purple color.

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Peeling the sealing ring up showed us three screws that let us remove the filter ring. This is a good thing, meaning broken filter rings should be an easy, reasonable cost replacement. Should be.

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With filter ring off we can look down into the focus ring. This lens is ‘focus-by-wire’; there’s no mechanical linkage between the ring and the focusing element. But there is a gear in here that is turned when you turn the ring. A couple of people have said manual focus feels rough but autofocus is smooth. This gear is probably the culprit in those cases. It just turns an electrical actuator or position sensor, but it is a mechanical gear, so if it’s damaged or gets a piece of grit in it, it would make the focusing ring feel rough.

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This should come later in the disassembly, but here’s an image of the underside of the gear, showing you it doesn’t move any mechanical parts, it just drives an electric actuator. If the gear jammed up entirely the lens would still autofocus just fine.

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With the filter ring is off, we can lift the focus ring right off of the lens. You can see the gear teeth inside the ring that turn the white position sensing gear we showed you in the previous picture.

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Now we’re making some progress. All of the external barrels are removed and the core of the lens is exposed. Just because someone will ask, all of these barrels are heavy-duty polycarbonate. You heavy-metal fans will be disappointed, but it’s really solidly assembled. The inner barrels  you see below are plastic, too.

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Looking for optical adjustments isn’t the primary purpose of this teardown, but I’ll point out that the front group also has a set of shims. There is yet another set at a different level.

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In another nice touch, we can remove the front group at a slightly lower level than the shims, so we don’t have to disturb them.

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Group 1 is a big group, the entire front portion of the lens. We could have separated this further, but there was no point in doing so.

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The aperture assembly just lifts out now. By the way, this lens has a lovely, very round, aperture. But you can see that without me showing you, it’s readily apparent looking through the lens.

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Now, after all of this, we can finally get to see those ‘scratches’ in the inner barrel. They didn’t visualize that well when we began, it’s hard to take a good image through that big front element. Now you can see them all around the inner focusing barrel; Aaron is pointing a Q-tip towards some of the worst ones.

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A quick swipe with a Kim-wipe takes them right off. Although they did look a lot like scratches it was just lubricant.

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If you are like me, you’re just dying to know how that ring SSM motor is also called a linear focusing system. I would love to take the motor apart and show you, but that’s going to have to wait. We weren’t ready to disassemble a ring SSM because we weren’t certain we’d be able to restack it properly and this lens was needed. To be honest we shouldn’t have disassembled this lens at all, but, well, people were wrong on the internet and we couldn’t leave that alone.

I was able to get you a little picture down along the focusing group, though, showing you that it travels in straight-line grooves up and down; it doesn’t rotate in a helicoid assembly to move forward. I’ll add that while we were poking around we checked and the focusing group is surrounded by plastic. It’s not going to scrape the inner barrel.

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Before I summarize, the usual: yes, we put it back together. Yes, we tested it mechanically, electrically and optically and it works perfectly. And, yes, it’s back in the rental fleet. I’m also certain someone will want to know this, too: No, we are not opening every copy up and cleaning out any visible lubricant. We have work to do fixing broken stuff, righting wrongs, and making the internet a safer place to live.

So, What Did We Learn Today?

Let’s start with what I know.

Focusing Noise

The Sony FE 85mm f/1.4 GM lens has a focusing system that makes some noise. It sounds a little like metal scraping or a linear piezo motor even though it’s an SSM motor. It’s much quieter in video AF mode. Nearly silent. But focuses slower.

It should sound and focus the same in manual or auto modes. If it doesn’t there may be a problem (probably some grit or dust) around the focus actuator gear (yes, I made that name up, but you know what I mean).

Barrel Markings

About half of these lenses have some visible lubricant on the inner focusing barrel that looks like scratches but isn’t. It is not scratches. Yes, I know the focusing sounds like scratches. Yes, I know the lubricant looks like scratches. And yes, I am certain that some person somewhere is going to have a lens with real scratches on the inner focusing barrel. Because given enough lenses, there will be one with anything.

Now let’s move on to what I think, but don’t know for certain.

It may be that over some time every single one of these lenses will have some lubricant show up on the inner barrel. Or it may smooth out over time to a beautiful, lustrous sheen that makes your bokeh glow like a sunrise in Yosemite. Sony may change assembly procedures or lubricant in future batches and it won’t be there anymore. But for right now, if you buy this lens you may see some lubricant in the inner barrel that looks like scratches.

Some people are absolutely certain they’ve seen metal shavings in their lens. That’s possible (see above comment about scratches) but I’m pretty sure that means someone added some metal shavings during assembly. There’s not much metal inside this lens, and what there is is surrounded by plastic parts that I can’t imagine are shaving metal. I am certain that everyone who looks carefully with a bright light is going to see some dust, though. It’s a wide aperture 85mm lens. Those all basically have dust you can see if you look carefully enough right out of the box. If you clean it all out, they’ll have some more in 3 days. Cope.

Does this mean the lens is problem free? Absolutely not. I don’t know if that lubricant might affect images (I doubt it, but it’s possible it could cause some glare when focusing close up). I suspect in a few cases lube will have gotten onto a lens element and caused a streak and that is much more likely to affect images. If you see streaks on a lens element than I’d return yours or send it in to be cleaned.

It might be that 6 months from now we find out that all of these lenses should be absolutely silent when focusing. I’ve looked at lots of them, but they obviously were all early production run lenses. There may be a fix Sony comes up with. I suspect, though, that a firmware fix will be slowing down AF to make it quieter.

In the meantime, optically this is a superb lens and a lot of people are making great images with it.

I’ll just mention that some of you are going to think I’m not being hard enough on Sony over this. You may be right, like everyone I have my own likes and dislikes. Sony is doing some new, really radical things with lenses (OK, probably not Sony, but people Sony is hiring and giving green lights to). I’m completely aware that when you do a bunch of radical new things some are going to have problems. It’s inevitable. But some are going to be great. That’s how progress happens. I’m all for progress.

And let’s be honest, guys (because us early-adopters are 99% guys). When we preorder something that’s never been seen before, we’re signing on for this kind of stuff. The logical people don’t buy anything until it’s been out a few months. But where’s the fun in that?

 

Roger Cicala and Aaron Closz

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Author: Roger Cicala

I’m Roger and I am the founder of Lensrentals.com. Hailed as one of the optic nerds here, I enjoy shooting collimated light through 30X microscope objectives in my spare time. When I do take real pictures I like using something different: a Medium format, or Pentax K1, or a Sony RX1R.

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  • deadintentions

    Hi guys! Have you ever noticed that the lens’ aperture is never fully open? Like it’s always at f/1.6. I’m wondering what the bokeh would look like if the iris is removed ?

  • Damir ?olak

    Dude get a life.

  • tom

    Hi Roger.

    Thanks for doing this.

    I bought this lens a couple of days ago and unfortunately I picked up one which has a little more visible lubricant than the one you took apart. Would you recommend taking this back to the retailer and asking for them to swap it for another one in the hope I get a cleaner model or will it make no difference to the performance of the lens?

    Thanks,

    Tom

  • tom

    Hi Roger.

    Thanks for doing this.

    I bought this lens a couple of days ago and unfortunately I picked up one which has a little more visible lubricant than the one you took apart. Would you recommend taking this back to the retailer and asking for them to swap it for another one in the hope I get a cleaner model or will it make no difference to the performance of the lens?

    Thanks,

    Tom

  • datavortex

    I went through a bit of a saga with this lens. The replacement I got from Amazon had clearly been previously opened. So, although it worked well, I was paying for a new lens and I returned it. The third lens I received was also broken and didn’t focus! The motor noises on #3 were not quite as crunchy or as loud as lens #1. The fourth time was the charm – I finally got a working, new lens. The motor noise is still pretty loud, but seems within the range of normalcy.

    Since having this glass for a couple of weeks I’ve been pretty happy with it. Low light performance is simply amazing. I’ve gotten some really impressive shots outdoors in the dead of night.

  • datavortex

    Thanks for doing this.

    I had to return a brand new one of these today after it showed up not working from Amazon. It wouldn’t focus and the motor was extremely loud. I should have the replacement tomorrow and hoping that one is good.

  • I haven’t tried to get one repaired yet, but yes, Sony repairs are a huge problem and one of the reasons rental prices are higher on Sony equipment. We’ve had to learn how to repair things ourselves. Parts are still an issue but we can at least keep some in service: One lens with a badly scratched front group may donate enough parts to fixe 3 or 4 others.

  • alexk

    Hi Roger, great post, i just had and issue with a sony fe macro lens repair.

    Roger, how do you deal with sony when they don’t make any part for this lens available for repair? it must be frustrating for a rental company.

    they told me they offer no service for this lens just replacement

  • Ieva Skrebele

    “And let’s be honest, guys (because us early-adopters are 99% guys).”

    It would be better if you didn’t use such language. I can agree that statistically women tend to do some things more or less often than men, but I doubt that 99% is an accurate statistic (it sounds like something pulled out of thin air, and there are a lot of female photographers out there and some of them must be preordering lenses), but whatever. With your own statistics, assuming that 1000 people read your blog, you have just offended one percent of them and that makes 10 offended people. There is a reason guests are addressed as “ladies and gentlemen” even when 99% of people in a room belong to the same gender. Although, to be honest, “ladies and gentlemen, intersex people and genderqueers” would be a much more appropriate and inclusive way of addressing everybody in the room rather than just those who fit neatly into gender stereotypes.

    I happen to be a person whose hobbies, interests, job, personality, even choice of clothes and bags I wear and use are the very opposite of how somebody with my genitals “ought to behave”. Of course I am long used to religious and conservative fanatics abusing me in all possible ways, but it is even more disappointing to see educated and reasonable people claim that I don’t exist.

    You see, it’s not pleasant to have people deny your very identity and claim that somebody like you cannot and does not exist. I assume you wouldn’t like it if somebody claimed that photo geeks do not exist and nobody can possibly be interested in how lenses work.

    With this comment I am not trying to offend and bash you. I absolutely love your blog. I’m just trying to politely suggest that there is a reason not to use such language.

  • intrnst

    Oh, please, don’t punish yourself!

  • Dr.Benzin

    Thanks

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  • Dr.Benzin

    Hi,Roger, I almost finished job. Only a littet question I hope you can tell me.
    #1· Every 85mm wide-aperture lens I’ve ever looked in has some dust inside, NIB and no matter the brand.
    In this one, I have no idea about what the NIB is, could you tell me?

  • I haven’t been able to get enough Batis to test a set of 10

  • Gf

    You are the master ,Roger.

  • Gf

    Thanks Roger for another great tear down article.
    I have had the Batis 85 since last October and debating to replace it with this GM lens or not for about 8 weeks now. Have you compared the Sony GM vs the Batis?

  • Well, thankfully, the other Sony SSM lenses that I have used are fast and quiet re Autofocus.

  • Amen! Gotta set them straight!

  • Totally agree, seb. This is the kind of thing that happens when marketing runs the release. Photographers can deal with limitations and use the tool. We get upset when we get no facts, just smoke.

  • SteveGJ

    There is no such thing as a good pun. I know, I’m addicted to them and I really ought to seek help.

  • You’re right, and I love puns. This is what happens when I read and answer too late at night. And it really is a good pun!

  • Rick Harker

    This story is confidence inspiring about the fastidious nature you apply to your business.

  • seb

    I dont think THIS was a mass hysteria. 🙂
    And it has also nothing to do with the internet. The shop I bought my lens told me, there were several people coming into the store to check their copy. They just wanted to know, if anything is alright. The shop owner didn’t know it, he had to ask Sony.
    When Sony or their testing artisans pointed on some noice while using AF, no one would ever put videos of it into the net. Very simple.

  • seb

    It’s also a good answer, if you can’t say it. Then it looks to me, that there is no significant difference in AF speed between your tested lenses. Thanks.

  • SteveGJ

    You missed the pun. The first whining is the noise made by the lens, the second those complaining about it and the third the complaining abou those complaing of the whining noise made by the lens.

  • Not at all. People have been whining. This article is whining about whining. You exaggerated by one whine.

  • eric, almost all lenses have some lubricant in them – helicoid rollers, AF motors, all of the rings that turn, etc. are usually lubed. Most of the time you don’t notice in on a barrel. This could be because less is used, or that it’s smeared evenly so you don’t notice it. But there is lube in most lenses.

  • That I can’t say because I haven’t tested reliability. But speed, yes, at least to some degree. Video AF is much quieter and slower.

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