Teardowns and Disassembly

Really Getting In Touit

Published June 13, 2013

A couple of weeks ago I posted my impressions of the Zeiss 32mm Touit lens for NEX cameras, based on a copy loaned to me by Zeiss, USA. Now that we have our own copies I can be, shall we say, a bit more aggressive in examining the lens. Not to mention getting an opportunity to continue my string of aggressively bad pun titles (which Drew absolutely hates). But, hey, don’t blame me. I didn’t pick the name. I just do what has to be done. I have yet begun to pun.

Anyway, given that a lens with electronic autofocus and aperture control was something new in the Zeiss consumer lineup, Aaron and I couldn’t wait to take a look inside and see how things were put together. Once we got a look inside, we found there was more Touit than we expected (don’t say I didn’t warn you). The lens is put together solidly in typical Zeiss fashion.

Outside examination of the 32mm Touit shows us the polymer barrel with metal mounting ring. Things appear solidly built and the focus ring, particularly, moves smoothly like a larger SLR lens (many mirrorless focus rings are loose and sloppy).

 

 

 

The rear light baffle is a separate piece mounted by three screws.

The rear mount then removes in the usual way.  Underneath the rear mount is a thick metal shim or spacer.

 

It seems rather thick to be a standard optical shim or adjustment for the difference in Fuji and Sony flange-to-sensor distances (which are only 0.3mm different), so I assume it is there for added structural rigidity.

 

With the spacer removed we can see the rear barrel of the lens is attached by 3 large screws and an additional two screws hold the rear PCB (circuit board) in place. This is typical sturdy Zeiss construction; the screws are longer and thicker than what you usually see in lenses of this size. At 10 o’clock you can see the silver cylinder of the DC motor peeking out from under the PCB, with the large flex connector from the PCB board heading to it.

 

Removing the rear barrel exposes the inner barrel and PCB board. The white ring you see on around the barrel serves as a bearing to make rotation of the focus ring on the rear barrel smooth. Again, one of those ‘well-built’ touches. It’s that smoother, tighter fit that keeps the focus ring from feeling loose and sloppy.

 

In a closer view you can see the notches along the focusing barrel and the optical position sensor it uses. (NOTE: after I published this a person more knowledgeable than myself corrected me – this is a hall sensor, not an optical sensor, but the purpose is to sense the movement of the manual focusing ring.)

 

After the PCB is removed the position sensor can also be removed.

 

Which lets us remove the DC motor. I will admit, when Zeiss stated they went with a DC motor because they wanted a more powerful motor to move the focusing quickly, I was skeptical (and still am, a bit) but this is quite a large motor for such a small lens. If I read Zeiss’ technical description properly, focusing involves moving the entire optical assembly in one direction and possibly the rear floating element a different amount, so a large motor probably is required.

 

At this point it’s time to turn the lens over and start working our way in from the front. The makeup ring is removed (the liquid you see is some alcohol used to soften the glue) which exposes the screws holding the front barrel in place. Again, oversize screws with coarse threads that felt very secure.

 

The filter ring barrel comes off after removing those three screws, and that lets us also take up the focusing ring.

 

These next three screws let us remove the front mounting plate. Notice how they’ve designed these thick mounting plates front and rear that accept all the attachements of the outside barrels (and therefore accept the direct stress when you drop the lens, etc.)

 

After we’ve removed this plate, the actual optics of the lens come out as a unit. So all of this dissection, layers of barrels, multiple screws, etc. are simply to handle the housing. The optics now come out in an entirely separate unit. This is quality construction.

 

The halves of this inner housing are held together with another nice touch. Three sturdy post screws, but each screw has an associated spring and washer. If I’m understanding their purpose correctly, it should maintain even  tension, broaden the area where pressure is applied and help avoid overtightening. Like several other things we’ve seen in this lens, they could have saved a few bucks by using a simple screw and few people would ever know. I point these things out because sometimes the insides of higher-priced lenses do show us a bit about why they’re higher priced lenses.

 

With the innermost barrels separated you can see the aperture electronics at the bottom of the lens in the picture below. There also appears to be a second, magnetic, position sensing strip that Aaron is pointing to with the screwdriver . . .

 

Matched to a second position sensor (again, Aaron’s screwdriver pointing to it).

 

I’m guessing the outer system is to sense turning of the manual focus ring for the fly-by-wire focusing system, and this one is the actual autofocus position sensor, but I could have that backwards, or just be totally wrong. With my luck this is some kind of secret-monolith tampering sensor that sent a signal to Germany the minute it was exposed to light, making sure they don’t invite me to any more lens releases.

Credit: 2001, A Space Odyssey.

 

We did not open up the optical elements for a couple of reasons. First among theses was the fact that we were much more interested in the electronics and focusing system. After all this is Zeiss’ first autofocus (and for NEX electronic aperture) lens. I don’t have any questions Zeiss makes great optics but I was interested in seeing what their electronics looks like.

Second was the very thorough construction made it take a significant amount of time to get to this point and we have to put this back together and get to our daily repair work. Third, the 32mm Touit, like many wide-aperture lenses in this focal length, is based on a classic double-guass design with only 5 groups. There is rarely much to see or adjust within the optics of theses type of lenses and most of the elements will be cemented or solidly encased in groups.

Optical diagram of the 32mm Touit

 

In fact, the 32mm Touit is really just an optically improved version of the ZM 50mm Planar (there are some changes in the 6 elements that make up the double-gauss design and the addition of a rear group, probably for aberration compensation and perhaps as a field flattener and / or floating element.

Optical diagram of Zeiss ZM 50mm Planar

 

Conclusions:

This thing is built well. Those of you who have misgivings about polymer (rather than metal) construction in a lens of this size, put those to rest. It’s built like a Zeiss; I expected no less. I was a bit skeptical about the choice of a DC motor to provide more power, but I have to say, they definitely chose a large, powerful motor, so that was probably just me being cynical.

The overall construction and design were very solid, reminding me of a Zeiss or Leica rangefinder lens; much higher construction quality than many of the E mount lenses I’ve opened up.

I should point out that I have not yet opened up a Fuji-mount Touit. It will be interesting to see the differences between the two (aperture control being the most obvious). I also don’t want my remark about E mount lenses above to be carried over to Fuji. I have less experience looking inside Fuji lenses, and to be honest find them a bit strange, but they are well constructed.

 

All photos copyright Roger Cicala and Lensrentals.com, 2013 unless otherwise noted. (You may reproduce them as long as the copyright credit is given AND links back to this article.)

Roger Cicala and Aaron Cosz

Lensrentals.com

June, 2013

 

I think it important that anyone who writes an opinion on any item should be very clear in stating what, if any, benefits they received that might influence them concerning that item. (You hardly ever see me mention any, because I hardly ever get any). In this case, however, Zeiss USA loaned me E-mount 12mm and 32mm Touit lenses for two weeks to test and review. They also invited me to the press release of the Touit lenses in New York and payed for one night’s hotel room there. 


Author: Roger Cicala

I’m Roger and I am the founder of Lensrentals.com. Hailed as one of the optic nerds here, I enjoy shooting collimated light through 30X microscope objectives in my spare time. When I do take real pictures I like using something different: a Medium format, or Pentax K1, or a Sony RX1R.

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  • Gerald

    Thanks for another great article.
    I agree with Alain – I think the sensors are photo-interrupters. As Mr Fake pointed out, Hall sensors need a permanent magnetic field to function. & engineers tend to hate designing permanent magnets into their products – they attract sharp, abrasive fragments which reduce service life. I have some Takumars over 50 years old & still mechanically excellent – the Zeiss engineers will be designing for similar longevity, I’m sure.

  • I am just guessing here, but maybe Zeiss has a cooperation with Fuji for the AF. Would explain why they also make them for X-Mount. Maybe a disassembly of the XF 35mm would give a clue.
    Great article!

  • Bruce

    This is the best website ever!! – although that may seem a bit counterin-touit-ive…

  • Can only be Yashica. They mentioned to revive optical production in 2012. Two german companies were on the list of potentional cooperations. It must be Yashica or a similarly called company. Experts here know the exact name.
    The same company which already made Zeiss Japan lenses for Contax/Yashica.

  • Ilkka

    Thank you. Thank you very much for the time and trouble in reporting these.
    I do not have that lens. I don’t even have a body where I could fit it. But I am an engineer and I have been a photographer for more than thirty years, and I have a few Zeiss lenses. I find this very interesting all the same. So just sincere Thank You.

  • Roger Cicala

    Andrew, no hints at all, but Zeiss has said the Touit’s are assembled in Japan. That leave a number of options, though.

  • Roger Cicala

    Alain,

    They are definitely plastic and there is no magnetic tape, so perhaps the information I received was incorrect and my original thought, that they are optical sensors, is correct after all.

  • Fake Name

    The person who told you the sensors on the focusing ring are hall-effect sensors was incorrect. Assuming the little pins on the focusing ring pass through the notches in the sensor bodies, that would mean that they are plain-old optointerrupters, probably arranged as a quadrature encoder.

    If they were hall-effect based, it would mean that each of the little pins would have to be a magnet, to properly trip the sensors. Unless they *are* magnets, putting hall-effect sensors there wouldn’t do anything.

  • Andrew

    Hi, are there any hints that these were manufactured by Cosina in Japan?

  • samdman

    The fact that Zeiss/Sony put a lot of resources to make this into mass production product with such quality and everything, do you think it justify the price, Roger?

    I mean the design and technology put into it, I am sure they had to designed it ground up (hence they used new family lens name instead of some -gon/other established name).

  • The Zeiss Sonnar ZM 50/1.5 is a wonderful, distinctive lens. They could do an auto-focus version for the same two mounts. I’ve read that 50mm is about the shortest feasible focal length of the Sonnar design, but maybe that is not true for APS-C sensors.

    The lens has one quirk that holds down sales for true rangefinder cameras — focus shift in relation to the rangefinder. That problem disappears on the Fuji and Sony cameras.

  • Alain

    Mr Cicala, maybe you can confirm that, but I am ready to bet the notches used to sense the focusing ring position are made of plastic. As an electronics engineer, I can share this : using Hall sensors do not bring any technical advantages here. They are more expensive than optical sensors and, as they sense magnetic field changes, the notches should be made of magnetic material, which is more expensive than molded plastic… Moreover, a Hall sensor case is not U-shaped and does not need to be…

  • Thanks, great report! Nice to know that it’s still worth the money for a quality product.

    BTW, where’d they put you up in NYC?

  • Daemonius

    Seems Sony should let Zeiss do their ZA lens, cause build quality of ZA lens certainly isnt up to this level..

    Very impressive things. As I like my regular Planar, this would be nice thing to have on NEX. Wish Samsung NX could have this. 🙂

  • Clive

    How about opening one of the super cheap Sigma mirrorless mount lenses as a comparison. Optically the Sigmas offer great value for money and it would be interesting to see where the corners have been cut.

  • GH

    Great, thanks Roger! It would be cool if you opened up the NEX/Zeiss 24mm f1.8 and compared the build to the Touit.

  • Roger Cicala

    Andrew, when I asked Aaron if he thought we could do this disassembly and get things back together in an hour, his reply was “I have the utmost confidence in our mission, Roger”. That sort of set the tone.

  • Andrew Burday

    “With my luck this is some kind of secret-monolith tampering sensor”… Snort. Cue timpani. “I’m sorry Roger. I’m afraid I can’t focus that close.”

    Also +1 for being clear about your relation to Zeiss.

  • André Oliveira

    KyleSTL,

    WERA, from Germany, have Japanese JCIS bits. I bought them from chadstoolbox website.

  • Roger Cicala

    Peter, I think it’s the right thing to do — I wish everyone did it. I know just enough to make me a bit cynical and never want to be ‘that guy’.

  • Roger Cicala

    Kyle, they are all (to the best of my knowledge)JIS screwdrivers. Good ones can be hard to get in the U. S. but Micro Tools usually has a good online selection of JIS drivers.

  • Roger Cicala

    Dave, it is my understanding that Zeiss has optically designed several lenses for Sony, but has not manufactured any (who actually does make them seems somewhat controversial), nor have they been responsible for the autofocus systems or other electronics. Zeiss, at the release, was also very clear that they have cooperation from Sony in E mount, but did not say a word about alpha mount.

    Roger

  • Dave

    Mr. Cicala, can you please elaborate why you stated that this is Zeiss’s first autofocus lens? As far as I know, Carl Zeiss has been supplying Sony with excellent autofocus lenses since its acquisition of Minolta’s alpha-mount camera division. Were they just providing Sony with the optics?
    Thank you.

  • Kirby Krieger

    Just a heart-felt “Thank you!”. Superbly done.

  • KyleSTL

    I know Canon lenses use JIS screws, have you found that most manufacturers do? The screws in the pictures appear to be JIS (not Phillips head). Do you have any suggestions on tool manufacturers for a good set of JIS screwdrivers? I’ve killed a few #000 and #00 Phillips over the course of the past few years repairing lenses and cameras, and I think I’m ready to buy the right tools.

  • bluto

    Those last two elements look a little like a focal length reducer, potentially.

  • Nice article.
    Reminds me to not try this myself, because of the lack of thr right tools and patience.

    Also remarkable that you mention the benefits you received.

  • Florian

    Do you have any word on whether and when a firmware update will be available for the touit e-mount lenses that will allow for phase detection autofocus to work on the Nex-6?

  • Roger Cicala

    Hervan, that is exactly what I plan to do.

  • Hervan

    Since you said you have less experience opening X mount lenses, why don’t you open both lenses side by side when you touit? (hehe, sorry)
    By “both” I mean the X mount Zeiss and the equivalent Fuji: 32mm Zeiss with 35mm Fuji, and 12mm Zeiss with 14mm Fuji. (Just a suggestion.) 🙂

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