Lenses and Optics

Nikon 70-200mm f/2.8E FL ED AF-S VR MTF Tests

Well, we all want to call it the 70-200 VR III, since it replaces the Nikon 70-200 f/2.8G AF-S VR II.  But the new lens is officially the 70-200mm f/2.8E FL ED AF-S VR. It is most definitely a different lens; it’s 22 elements include one fluorite, one high-refractive, and six ED elements, along with new coatings. There’s also fluorine finishes on the front and rear elements to prevent smudging. I’m not a fan of this in general (they seem far more prone to coating scratches), but some people are. Not to mention it has electronic aperture control (of which I am a fan). And, of course, an improved 4-stop VR system.

So most of these improvements are things you’ll need to find out about in lens reviews, which this isn’t, if you’re considering upgrading to this lens with it’s Sonyesque $2,800 price tag. I’m just here to tell you how it performs on an optical bench, what it’s resolution is, and stuff like that. Maybe in a few weeks, we’ll take one apart and look into that ‘improved weather sealing’ claim. But for today, we’re just going to look at the optics.

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I’m quite interested in how this lens performs. The VR II was an exceptionally good lens at 70mm, really rather weak in the middle of the zoom range, and then got superb again at 200mm. Nikon’s marketing department is waxing poetic about the improved optics of the new version, so I was pretty eager to see these poetic MTF curves for myself.

MTF Results

To make things simple from the start, I’ll compare the MTF curves for the new FL lens on the left to the MTF curves of the Nikon 70-200mm AF-S f/2.8 G VR II lens on the right.

At 70mm

Olaf Optical Testing, 2016

Olaf Optical Testing, 2016

The 70-200mm VR II was at its best at 70mm, and the new lens is even better on the MTF bench, although just a bit. I doubt that anyone is going to notice much difference in their photographs, but they might see improved corner sharpness.

 

At 135mm

Olaf Optical Testing, 2016

Olaf Optical Testing, 2016

The 70-200mm VR II was at its worst at 135mm, and the new lens just mops the floor with it in the middle of the zoom range. It’s not just hugely sharper in the center; it’s sharper 2/3 of the way to the edge of the image than the old one was in the center. Now I know a LOT of people use their 70-200mm lens just as a 200mm lens, but honestly, if you ever visit the middle of the zoom range, you will notice this difference. It’s night and day.

 

At 200mm

Olaf Optical Testing, 2016

Olaf Optical Testing, 2016

The VR II was quite good at 200mm, particularly at the center. The new FL lens is perhaps a bit better in the center, but it maintains its sharpness much better as you go away from the center. Maintaining sharpness this well away from center is pretty amazing for a zoom lens.

I’m going to have to talk about this MTF curve a bit, because you may have noticed that the sagittal and tangential curves (dotted and solid lines) aren’t quite together in the center of the FL lens, which is unusual. The reason, in this case, is a bit of ‘off-centering.’ I’m not going to use the word decenter, because that implies optical decentering, which this isn’t, exactly. Rather the sharpest point at 200mm is, for most copies, not quite at the center of the image, but just a few mm (in sensor distance) from the center.

Remember, the graphs I show you are averages of 10 copies, each of which is averaged at four rotations; so the average of 40 MTF curves. If you look at a typical single rotation MTF reading they mostly look like this:

Olaf Optical Testing, 2016

Olaf Optical Testing, 2016

So technically, all of the 10 copies we tested were very slightly decentered at 200mm. But we usually think of decentering as causing a soft image, and in none of these lenses could the image be considered soft. It’s rather that the area of maximal sharpness was just a bit away from the center.

Because the sharpness is maintained so well from side-to-side, I very seriously doubt anyone could find that the center was a bit off-axis in a photograph in any of these ten copies. That doesn’t mean there aren’t going to be some that are significantly decentered at 200mm, though, because lots of lenses made. But again, decentered or not, they were all just damn sharp at 200mm.

Field of Focus Curves

I wanted to post the field-of-focus curves, for those of you who are interested in the geeky stuff, to show just how flat they are. Again, this would be good in a prime lens, but for a zoom they’re pretty spectacular.

Olaf Optical Testing, 2016

Olaf Optical Testing, 2016

Olaf Optical Testing, 2016

Olaf Optical Testing, 2016

Olaf Optical Testing, 2016

Olaf Optical Testing, 2016

This is one copy, but a very typical copy. And yes, most had a very slight field tilt at 200mm, but little or no tilt at shorter focal lengths. Again, you can harp on the negative, but for a zoom, this less field tilt is less than we expect to see.

OK, Fanboys, Here You Go

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Yes, I hate myself for doing this but if I don’t someone is going to dig up old results and do it anyway. What follows is a comparison of the Nikon 70-200 f/2.8 FL VR to the standard bearer of 70-200 f/2.8 lenses, the Canon 70-200 f/2.8 IS II.

At 70mm

Olaf Optical Testing, 2016

Olaf Optical Testing, 2016

The new Nikon is a tiny bit better in the center but definitely is a bit better off-axis in the middle frame at 70mm.

At 135mm

Olaf Optical Testing, 2016

Olaf Optical Testing, 2016

This demonstrates just how much of a difference Nikon has made in the middle focal range. The Canon was clearly better than the Nikon VRII, while the Nikon FL is clearly better than the Canon.

At 200mm

Olaf Optical Testing, 2016

Olaf Optical Testing, 2016

Despite the oddity in the Nikon 200mm graphs, I think the Nikon is clearly a bit better at 200mm. As always, let me emphasize this is ‘lab better.’ Actual photographs with all of the variables that introduce, I doubt the difference at 70mm or 200mm would be of any visible significance. At 135mm, though, I think they might be.

And as always, this has been an MTF test; it was only an MTF test. Had this been an actual photograph you would have been instructed that all differences were simply because of poor technique.

Roger Cicala and Aaron Closz

Lensrentals.com

November, 2016

Author: Roger Cicala

I’m Roger and I am the founder of Lensrentals.com. Hailed as one of the optic nerds here, I enjoy shooting collimated light through 30X microscope objectives in my spare time. When I do take real pictures I like using something different: a Medium format, or Pentax K1, or a Sony RX1R.

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  • Does anyone need another lens blog? Brilliant.

  • Wow, this is more complicated than you’ve let on. I agree we should wait till you can do a test that you feel good about standing behind.

  • Brian Smith

    Removed.

  • Brad

    Are there any other good products (3rd party or otherwise) in the 70-200 range for Sony? I was considering a Sony mirrorless but this report gives me pause.

  • They both seem to be very nice lenses. Shame they are WAY out of my league, from a price perspective.

  • Lee

    Given the price it’s a pretty catastrophic misstep if they didn’t.

  • Let’s kind of keep this here for right now – I haven’t published it because I’m still a little uncertain about the results. Sony has suggested that a change in cover glass thickness might improve the results some. Not dramatically, but some, off-axis. This lens also has two focusing motors and we have to focus it electronically via a camera to test. I’m not absolutely certain that ‘setting it at infinity focus on the camera’ and ‘manually focusing on an object at infinity’ are absolutely the same. So take these lab results with a grain of salt. On the other hand, they do seem to agree with what we see in real world results.

    I try hard not to put out anything until I’m just absolutely certain our results are correct. We’re doing some stuff here that’s pretty cutting edge, honestly. No one does 4 rotation MTFs, for example. I’m pretty certain these are good results, but not absolutely certain. So I’ll post them in this discussion on my own site but I’d rather not see them reproduced all over the internet yet.

    Roger

  • Yeah, except way more than that. It’s not even a cash cricket. But it’s a fine line, too. We’re getting more and more work but a lot of that work comes with nondisclosures.

  • Roger, Pentax have one of best forum society. I will write there and I think we will find supporters 🙂

  • If I know a certain editor, the headline you’ll see will be ‘Roger Cicala says, “The 70-200 G Master is…really…great.” ‘

  • Wait, are you suggesting that a young company with a niche market and massive startup costs wouldn’t be an instant cash cow? =)

  • Brian Smith

    I just started a thread basically stating the exact same thing. I chalked it up to user error or internet compression when posting. Turns out the subpar images may very well be the lens itself.

    I really hope Roger does a blog or comments in more detail. I’d like his take on how it compares to the Canon and Nikon.

  • There have been a few threads over on DPReview that showed fairly disappointing results but I had chalked that up to the DPReview compression and/or poor technique on the part of the reviewers. Guess it might actually be from the lens, =(.

  • Brian Smith

    This is the first I am hearing about the 70-200 GM not being very good. We are talking about the brand new Sony 70-200 2.8 GM, correct? The lens that is impossible to find at this point.

    Overall the GM does not hold a candle to the Canon and Nikon? That’s disappointing as I have been waiting for a preorder to arrive for 3 months now!

    I think a lot of us would be interested in a blog post about the GM specifically, with your thoughts.

  • Probably worth putting this in review simply because of all the Sony interest.

  • Well, each mount has to be manufactured optically flat, etc. They cost about $1,000 each. And OLAF is, well non-profit would be a charitable description.

  • Roger, there one more link missing: for tests we are using (link) 🙂

  • Roger nooo… Please make one. KAF is very easy. All lenses have mechanical aperture coupling. KAF 4 was shown but only one lens have electronical aperture. So fulfill that quest enter in world of pentax lenses.

  • Gandalf

    it better be good for the price…

  • Unfortunately we don’t have a Pentax mount for our optical bench, so I’m unable to do that comparison.

  • Junz Inc

    Yes, I also hope to see that Roger.
    Thank you.

  • I second this – ePhotozine tests showed quite a difference in optical performance between the Tamron and Pentax/Tamron version of the lenses, would be interesting to see whether it’s just sample variation or whether there’s something to it.

  • Thanks!. I have question as Pentax user. 15-30 and 24-70 are pentamron lenses. There are some myth that they are better since lack of floating VR element and better pentax coating. It will be nice to check if its right.
    But most interesting are 70-200 and 150-450 lenses as they are fully pentax optic.
    What about that tests? I’m very keen on your scientific approach, so I’m waiting 🙂

  • Said AZIZI

    A comparison with the G Master will be very welcomed.

    Thank you Roger !

  • Omesh, we’ve gotten a few in, but not enough to test yet. Maybe next week. I expect good things – they would have made sure it was at the least competitive with the Canon 17.

  • Obican, you know they’re just going to start cut and pasting your comments as their headlines 🙂

  • dyswim

    Thanks for the work on this Roger. Extremely useful and interesting information for the community that complements field usage based reviews. While you don’t like doing the C vs N stuff (because your damned if you do, damned if you don’t), comparing the lens to its predecessor and most direct competitor gives appropriate context.

    A spectacular lens – along with the lack of focus breathing, reduced flare, better VR, faster AF etc. Nikon has given its users a great new tool.

  • obican

    Ugh, this is a hard one.

    Roger Cicala (from LensRentals) says that the new Nikon 70-200/2.8 (Buy link here) has a Sonyesque pri.. not good enough.

    Let’s try it with more links.

    Roger Cicala (from LensRentals) tests the new Nikon 70-200/2.8 (Buy link here) that you can mount on a Sony via the new AF adapter (Buy link here) and found it even better than Canon (Buy link here).

    Needs to be more sensational but you’re not really giving me much.

    Oh, Author. Roger Cicala part!

    Roger Cicala (from LensRentals) says Sony RX1R (Buy link here) is as good as Medium Format (B&H link to the whole medium format section) when shooting real pictures.

    Any good?

  • Omesh Singh

    Hi Roger, thanks for always being right at the cutting edge of information 🙂

    Have you guys gotten the 19mm PC-E lens yet? I’m interested to see how good their first ultrawide Tilt-shift is. (I’m assuming 19mm counts as ultra-wide)

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