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Things You Didn’t Want to Know About Zoom Lenses

Published February 10, 2017

The intersection (perhaps collision is a better word) of art and science is interesting. The scientist says “your impression is not as important as my facts.” The artists say “my impression is all that matters.” Imaging is that way. The photographer or videographer getting the look he wants from a piece of equipment is all that really matters; it’s the ultimate bottom line. So I completely understand when the artist tells me that all testing in the world doesn’t influence his choice of equipment at all. I accept when he or she says a lens is perfect for them. That’s the bottom line.

While I defer to the person taking the shots when they tell me what equipment works for them, I still don’t believe that general ignorance and disinformation is a good thing. With that in mind I’m going to address something I see repeated online all the damn time that just sets my scientific teeth on edge: This zoom is just as good as a prime. (And its corollary, I want a great copy of this zoom.)

To do this, we’re going to do science, which means I have to show you my testing methods and what they mean. (If we weren’t going to do science, I’d just say this one rates 82.7 and this one 79.2 using our special rating system you can’t understand, and the article could be really short like our editors want. Editors hate me pretty much).

It’s going to start with some MTF graphs, which I know a lot of people don’t understand and don’t want to learn, but that part will be mercifully brief, and then there will be pictures. So hang in there for a screen or two. To help make it easier, I’m also going to use our new experimental subliminal text feature to give you subconscious encouragement – you won’t even notice you’re getting positive messages to your subconscious, you’ll just have a feeling of well-being and accomplishment.

Here Comes the Sciencey Stuff, But Without Any Math, so It Isn’t Bad

You can handle this, I promise. 

OK, most of you have seen MTF charts. Even if you don’t understand them, you’ve got a general idea that higher is better. And you probably compared one lens to another on at least that basis. The MTF charts you’re used to seeing, show the average of a lot of different lenses (if Zeiss, Leica, or I made them), or a computer generated best-case scenario (if anyone else made them). They show what half of the lens should perform like from the center (left side) to the edge of the image (right side).

If I show the MTF graphs for two different lenses, like this, you’d be able to conclude that the one on the left has better resolution than the one on the right. You could actually find lots of other things if you speak MTF, but I won’t push it. We’ll stick with higher is sharper for this.

Olaf Optical Testing, 2016

 

But that’s either an idealized computer generation or the average of lots of lenses. What if we actually test one single copy of the lens? Well the first thing you’d notice is now we show both sides of the lens; the center is now in the center instead of on the left side. The second thing you’d notice is one side is a bit different than the other. Because when you manufacture something, it’s never perfect. So here’s an MTF of one of the lenses that went into the average above on the left.

Olaf Optical Testing, 2016

 

The left side is a little different than the right side, isn’t it? But wait, if one side is different than the other, what about top-to-bottom? Or corner-to-corner? So if we really want to test a lens, we have to do it several times, rotating it, so we test the different quadrants. So here’s that same lens, tested at four rotations.

Olaf Optical Testing, 2016

Hang on; we’re almost done with this part. Not much longer. You can do it!!

That’s four rotations. I could show you 8 and 12 rotations, but the charts would be really small, and you’re already really bored. You’re probably thinking “can’t you just tell me it’s a 79.2/100 instead of all this?”

So how about instead of that we just make a picture showing you how the MTFs map out around the surface of the lens. Below is a map of the sagittal MTF with blue showing where the lens is sharpest, yellow a bit less sharp, and red (there isn’t any here) not very sharp.

Olaf Optical Testing, 2017

That’s a lot more intuitive, isn’t it? You can see this lens is well centered (highest MTF in the middle) and just a tiny bit softer on the right side than the left. I’ll show you later, but you would not notice that tiny bit of softer on an at-home test. The MTF bench is more sensitive than any camera (so far).

We can also look at maps for other things. Below, for example, is the astigmatism map of the same lens.

Look at the lovely colors. You feel relaxed and at peace. The MTFey stuff is over now. 

You can see there’s a bit more astigmatism at the far edge on the right with this lens. My point in all this is that the maps are an easy way to evaluate a single copy of a lens at a glance. I’m going to show you a bunch of these pictures, so I wanted you to know how we got them.

So Can We Really See This in a Photo

Well, I did say that the bench is more sensitive than your camera. Subtle differences the bench may see are going to be masked by the other variables a photo has – lighting, focus, framing, and on-and-on. But big differences are going to be obvious. How big? Well, let’s look at maps for two copies of a lens, one of which is excellent, one of which is not. (It’s actually not awful, the only failing area on this lens is the red part at the bottom.) If you shot with it, you’d probably say it was an OK lens, or maybe a little soft. If you shot with the other one, you would say it was special.

(The map for this lens appears cut-off compared to the one above. That’s just because this lens has a built-in baffle to reduce light reflection, so its image is kind of rectangular, like a sensor, rather than round like the one above.)

Olaf Optical Testing, 2017

 

I know you like pretty photographs to make comparisons on, but a scenic shot has too many variables, and we’re trying to be all scientific. So you’ll have to make do with test chart photographs.

First let’s compare the top center area, which was excellent on the right lens and OK on the left one. To fit 100% crops in this God-forsaken blog platform, I’ll have to put them on top of each other, so the right lens is on top, the left on the bottom. These are unsharpened from RAW images of our high-resolution test charts taken with a 36-megapixel camera. The difference would be a bit more impressive at higher resolution, a bit less at a lower resolution, but this is sufficient for our purposes.

Lensrentals.com, 2017

 

I can see a difference; I suspect you can too. Remember test charts are more sensitive than a photograph. If I reshot this as a jpg with in-camera sharpening the difference would be smaller. If you took actual pictures of things instead of lines, you would probably notice a slight difference if you compared the two lenses side-by-side. But if you just had bought the left-hand lens you probably wouldn’t be screaming the top is soft, especially after you did some post processing and posted it as an 800-pixel jpg online.

Now let’s look at the bottom left quadrant. Again, the right lens is on top and the left on the bottom.

Lensrentals.com, 2016

 

The difference is greater now. You probably can notice that this lower corner probably isn’t OK. The tangential test lines (the ones going top left to bottom right) are really gray-on-gray, and so detail is being lost. OK, enough of this. My only point is that the MTF maps we’re using do reflect real-world images.

So What? Are We Getting to the Part About Zooms Yet?

Almost, my patient friends. And this won’t take long to show you now that we’ve gotten the concepts out of the way.

A lot of people are aware that while a zoom can be as sharp as a prime in the center of the image, it rarely is in the corners.

Few people, though, think about that fact that zooms are far more complex than primes. Where a prime usually has 6 to 12 elements, zooms often have around 20. And while primes have a single group moving to focus, zooms have moving focusing, zoom elements moving (sometimes several zoom elements), and possibly a compensating element. Increased complexity causes increased variability.

So let’s take a look at MTF Maps for a group of good prime lenses. Here are 9 actual lenses, tested just like the ones we showed you above. I’ll go ahead and tell you (because someone will notice) these are f/2.8 primes; no f/1.4 prime could resolve 30 line pairs this well. I’ll also add that one of these lenses had been dropped on rental but ‘suffered no apparent damage.’ Want to guess which one?

Blue is the soothing color of razor sharp images. 

Olaf Optical Testing, 2016

 

You probably guessed that the center lens on the right looks bad on a test chart (it does when compared to the others). If you look carefully, you can see the lower left lens has an area that’s a tiny bit soft, and you could notice that if you looked closely enough. The others all perform identically; the small differences we see on the bench aren’t apparent even on the highest resolution test charts.

If you ask me to pick you out a really good copy from this set of lenses, I will send you any of the three diagonal from top left to lower right. (Just so we get it out of the way, if you wonder what it costs for me to test 9 lenses and pick you out the best one then you can’t afford it.) But if I sent you one of the other three with no yellow in them, I’m confident you could not tell the difference in photographs.

Here Are the Zooms

Now let’s look at maps for several copies of a good, $2,000 zoom lens. You probably have already guessed that a good zoom is going to be more variable than the good prime. You probably tried to avoid thinking about the fact that we also have to look at several focal lengths. Everyone likes to think ‘good copy — bad copy’ like they would with a prime, but it doesn’t exactly work out that way with a zoom.

So here’s a set of eight 70-200mm f/2.8 zooms tested the same way, but with each one tested at three focal lengths.

Olaf Optical Testing, 2016

I told you in the title that you didn’t want to know. But it will be OK. Breathe.  

First, let me assure you this isn’t peculiar to this particular lens, to this zoom range, or anything else. We’ve tested thousands of zoom lenses. This is how they are with very few exceptions. Some are sharper overall. Some have a tendency to do better at one end or the other. Good performance of a copy at one focal length doesn’t particularly predict good performance at a different focal length. I will add, though, that terrible at one focal length does predict really bad at others.

Remember, this is an optical bench, and it makes small differences seem big. As you remember from before, the yellowy-green areas will look a bit soft on the test chart, but won’t scream at you in a real photo. Red areas might scream at you, though. I’m comfortable that most of you who looked carefully would notice that #7 at 70mm is not as good on one side as the other. Still, the red areas we see above are at an edge or side and might never be noticed by a sports shooter or portrait photographer who usually centers the subject.

The point here is a good copy of a typical zoom will be a little tilted this way at one focal length, maybe a tiny bit decentered at another, then tilted a different way at the other end. Or some variation on the theme. If you look carefully, you’ll notice it.

For example, if you had both #6 and #4 and compared them side by side; there’s no doubt you’d like #6 better at 200mm. But if you just got #4 you’d probably say it was okay. The owner of #6 is going to say the lens is clearly sharper at 200mm than at 70mm, the owner of #4 would that it’s actually a little sharper at 70mm. The people who own #1 and #8 would get online and tell both of those folks that they were obviously bad photographers because the lens seems about the same throughout the zoom range. The owner of #8 would probably be happy with his copy unless he went out shooting with the owner of #1.

Before you get too analytical about all this, remember this is just the sagittal graph. We’d also look at the tangential graphs (or the astigmatism graph which would show us the difference between sagittal and tangential). For example, looking just at the maps above, #3 looks like one of the better copies at 200mm, but if you look at its astigmatism graph, it’s one of the worst at that focal length.

Olaf Optical Testing, 2017

Don’t get me wrong. Zooms don’t suck. They’re excellent and very practical lenses. If you knew all the compromises that go into making one, you’d be as amazed as I am that they can make them that good for those prices. Let me add that if forum warriors posted 800 or 1200 pixel-wide images online, you’d probably barely be able to tell the difference between the primes and zooms, much less the differences between the zooms.

My point simply is that zooms vary more than primes in general, and a given copy of a zoom will vary at different focal lengths. The laws of physics and manufacturing tolerances told us it would be this way. Put more variables into a lens, and the lens varies more. Can they still be very good? Absolutely. Can they be as good as the best primes? Nope. On the other hand, the best primes don’t zoom worth a damn. Horses for courses.

So What Does It Mean?

There are no stupid questions. But there are stupid comments on forums. I will try not to make those. 

For practical photography not much really, other than just to make you more aware of reality. Here are the few takeaway messages for photographers:

  1. A great zoom is not as good as a good prime at comparable apertures, but it’s plenty good, especially in the center of the image.
  2. Zooms have more variation, and most copies of a given zoom will vary at different focal lengths. If someone asks me for the best copy of a zoom, my first response would always be ‘at which focal length?’ In this case, the sharpest copy at 200mm is not the sharpest at 70mm.

But for measurebating, there is a very pertinent point that needs to be made: Measurebating zooms is a fool’s errand. These differences may not be huge in your photographs, but they are very significant on a test. The reviewer who got lens #6 is going to have different conclusions and present you with different numbers than the reviewer who tested #1 or #8.

Some reviewer somewhere tested a single copy of a zoom lens and gave it their highest rating ever. Some people actually argued online about that, and then asked my opinion about that argument. So I wrote this post to explain why I thought it was all meaningless. When someone compresses something as complex as the multi-focal length performance of a zoom lens into a single number after testing a single copy, I don’t really care if their number is 3.1415926, 2.718281828 or 1.61803398; it doesn’t have any scientific value at all. Unless the rating is 42. Then it would have a meaning.

That was really funny. You should laugh now. And eat Avocados. 

 

Roger Cicala and Aaron Closz

Lensrentals.com

February, 2017

 

Author: Roger Cicala

I’m Roger and I am the founder of Lensrentals.com. Hailed as one of the optic nerds here, I enjoy shooting collimated light through 30X microscope objectives in my spare time. When I do take real pictures I like using something different: a Medium format, or Pentax K1, or a Sony RX1R.

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  • chrisgull

    Avocados are good.

  • l_d_allan

    To me, zooms with less that at least 2.85:1 focal length ratio are pointless … 70-200mm and 24-70 are the ‘sweet spot”.

    You might as well have several primes that are some combination of less expensive, smaller, few $$$, weigh less, better IQ, cost less, faster aperture, fewer aberrations, etc., Did I mention price?

    I’m a fan of focal lengths that double
    * 8mm fisheye Samyang
    * 14mm Samyang
    * 28mm Sony FE f/2
    * 55mm Sony FE f/1.8
    * 100mm Canon f/2.8 macro IS

    But I am very pleased with my Canon 24-70 f/2.8 and 70-200 f/2.8 on my Canon 6d and adapted to my Sony a7Rii.

  • A moment of silence for Saint Michael. A good man and a credit to us all.

  • Because our blog platform makes me compress them to 600 pixels wide.
    And joke? You understand joke?

  • The zoom is a bit better in the center, no question. I’d call them even in the edges. IF we look at the average of 10 copies, which is what we’re doing. My point isn’t supposed to be that a modern excellent zoom can’t be better than a 20 year old design prime.

    My major point is that those 100-400 zooms will vary more (we’re looking at 10 or 15 copy averages here): some will be better at 100, some at 250, some at 400. And trying to compare any single copy to say the 400 prime and 200 prime by saying the zoom is 9834 and the prime is 8756 is silly.

  • l_d_allan

    Y.A.G.B.A. … yet another great blog article … thanks

  • I suspect it is the Leica 50mm APO but the Leica sensor is the limiting factor for this lens. Did you guys test it on a Leica or on another camera using adaptors? Can the lens be fitted on a Sony 42mp mirrorless camera without distortions? Thanks.

  • Tom

    How come the charts are so low res that I can’t read the legends and scales?

    All the verbiage holding my hand as though I was a child cannot overcome this.

  • Alan Fersht

    How would you rate the Canon 100-400mm II vs 400mm f/5.6, given your own MTF measurements, collaged by me? It looks at first sight that the zoom has the edge on the prime over the major area that counts. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2625f034976e69a262ed4095dff23a35afa082b3a04301096660e5925cd0e8ce.jpg

  • Ryan Stone

    Ok Ken Wheeler

  • T N Args

    A top quality prime is *only* unbeatable if [a] you have total freedom to go anywhere with your camera and [b] you have total control over any mobile elements in the subject.

    Ergo, a top quality prime is *never* unbeatable outside of a studio.

  • HF

    Read, before you write. I didn’t say that primes are/can not be complex. A zoom adds _further_ complexity, increasing the difficulty to fulfill tolerances etc. You only want to find something which plays into your angry photographer nonsense of lower “microcontrast” (whatever that is) in modern lenses, which is shown here at lensrentals to be not true at all.

  • Veselin Gramatikov

    Good one but nothing new. The comprasion may be little more interesting if you include same focal lenghts, price, weight, f-stop and so on. Speaking of just primes and zooms ..is not very interesting. It`s very clear that the zooms are weaker and they vary a lot more. But it`s is true that some high quality zooms are close and some times better than average prime lens.
    We know that top quality prime is just ubeatable. One zoom will never go as good as 400 2.8 prime or 85 1.4 prime lens.
    But some zooms are better than some average and cheaper primes. For example Sigma 18-35, 50-100 and 24-25 zooms are very close to f/2.0 primes. Other example is that some new zoom as Nikkor 200-500 5.6 is not far behind some older primers as Canon 400 5.6. Good example is Canon 200-400/4.0 zoom. Yes is not like 300 and 400 prime but the lens are very close to cheaper 300/4 prime as iq (for 10-times the price). So speaking just primes vs zoom without any other definition is almost stupid.

  • Natt McFee

    Thanks for the reply! I’ve been using the 35, 43 and 77 but have needed something longer. I’ll give the 300 a shot. Thanks again!

  • Dragon

    That wasn’t 42 lenses, but a lens rated “42”. If you haven’t read “Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy”, the comment will make no sense to you, but Roger clearly has read it and will understand the connection to the “ultimate question”.

  • Natt, I have no inside information at all on Pentax, and if I did I couldn’t share. I shot the Sigma 35 and 50 Art, Pentax 77mm and 15-30mm on it and liked them all, but the 300mm f/4 was my favorite and the reason I got into it.

  • Brandon Dube

    Depends who “the lens makers” are. The consumer lens manufactures like Canon, Nikon, Sony, Sigma, etc, by and large have very unsophisticated testing. Some use bookshelves, others use a few very thick black lines painted on the wall in the corner of a room, I think you get the idea. Zeiss does have their own MTF benches – the K8 and K9. Supposedly each factory has at least one. One certainly can’t keep up with the volume of lenses a factory puts out, and I don’t think the K8/K9 are very good MTF benches.

    Leica also makes their own MTF benches.

    Their bottom line is that they’re churning out 10 million lenses a year or whatever the volume and consumers didn’t care before and mostly don’t care now. There’s no sense incurring the cost and losing time to test each lens on an MTF bench.

    In the US, e.g. Jenoptik has equipment as advanced as the MTF bench, and some interferometric setups that are much more advanced.

    Cell phones and backup cams are tested very well on machines that work very similar to our MTF bench. It is fairly ironic that a $10 camera module is tested so much better a $10,000 lens like a supertelephoto.

  • Bob Thane

    Interesting – do other companies, like the lens makers use equipment like this? I heard that some makers just put the lens on a sensor and test resolution with charts, but I’d assume some companies have tech at least as advanced as this.

  • Shimon Mor

    Yup, 42. Always the best answer to the most irrelevant questions.

  • William T Lloyd

    Thank you, Roger, for providing the science and methodology to those in our modern world who just WILL NOT believe unless they see hard, cold numbers.
    Others, those of us who come from an earlier, more primitive time, accepted on faith the pronouncements of our days’ sages. And, our trust is now proven. For behold! it is just as Saint Michael fortold:

    ““Most Lenses are Better Than Most Photographers”

    https://luminous-landscape.com/sharp/

  • Natt McFee

    Great article! This is off topic, but I noticed in your bio that you shoot with a K1 (which is my current favorite camera) and am wondering which lenses you’re liking best for it. And also if you have any insider info about any new glass for it? Thanks!

  • Pentax Shooter

    “… I still don’t believe that general ignorance and disinformation is a good thing.”

    You need to emigrate, dude.

    From the planet.

  • Damn! I may have to do that just to see how many colors we get in one graph. Except I’m not sure we have an surviving Petzvals. Not the most durable lens in the bag.

  • obeychad

    I’ll be waiting patiently for the Lomo Petzval vs. the Lensbaby Twist 60 test. I can’t wait to see the beautiful undulations between red, orange and yellow. Sends my heart a flutter.

  • Thank you Brett.

  • Well, I don’t know about reselling stuff, but we will be offering testing to the public soon. So you could send your lens in and get an MTF printout and comparison to average.

  • Likely the Zeiss Otus, a Leica or the Sigma 50 Art. Here is a comparison we did a few months back —
    https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2016/10/the-ultimate-50mm-lens-comparison/

  • Thank you, Otto. I do have to step away once in a while, before I respond 🙂

  • jlw518

    This makes so much sense. I’m thinking of the endless kerfluffle about the Sony/Zeiss 24-70mm f4 based on a few early reviews. I had a copy of that lens that was sharp; my images looked nothing like the fuzzy mess that popped up on a review site or two. On the other hand, a copy of the much lauded kit 28-70mm f 3.5-5.6 that I tried was just awful, especially on the edges. People to this day argue about the performance of the 24-70mm lens, three years later, based on those early reviews of single samples….

    Some of my M43 lenses showed similar variability. I had a really good copy of the Panasonic 100-300mm that was surprisingly sharp even out at 300mm; a great copy of the plastic fantastic Oly 40-150mm f4-5.6, and a wonderful copy of the Oly 12mm f2. Stupid me decided to sell them all to move to the A7 system. Two years later I returned to M43, and had to repurchase everything. The second copies were definitely different than the first. The 100-300m was soft above about 260mm (which is far more normal for that lens than the sharp-at-300mm one I had previously). The 40-150mm is just an average performer; not bad but not outstanding. And the 12mm? It took me four tries to get one that was close to my original (and it’s still not quite as good, but close enough for me).

    This makes all of that really make sense, and leads me to the conclusion that if you get a particularly good copy of a lens, whatever you do DO NOT SELL IT . You will regret it later 🙂 .

  • Vangelis Matos Medina

    No, I don’t.

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