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Sony Goes World Class: The 24-70mm f/2.8 GM MTF and Variance Tests

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I was one of those who noted Sony had some troubles, as manufacturers often do, with some of their first generation lenses for full-frame FE mount cameras. When they announced the G Master lens series I was really excited to test them. I was expecting Sony to have made progress both with optical quality and with copy-to-copy variation. I wasn’t sure that they’d be as good as the best lenses coming from the long-term photo manufacturers, but I did expect they would be close. In case you don’t like to read or look at charts, you can stop here. The 24-70 f/2.8 GM lens is as good as any 24-70 f/2.8 zoom from any manufacturer, at least as far as bench-test results go.

A Note About Sony MTF Testing

As I discussed in our post about the 70-200mm f/4 lenses, our testing algorithms and presentations are changing as we improve things and try to make them more scientific. If you missed that there are two major points.

First, the variation algorithms are different, both to make the charts easier to see (we show a 1 Standard Deviation range, rather than the 1.5 S. D. we used to) and to eliminate the Consistency Number. We found that the Consistency Number was too blunt of a tool; it showed only one limited part of variation. There were cases when there were two lenses had the same consistency score, but one was quite a bit worse than the other in ways the number didn’t show.

Second, I want to continue to point out that the MTF bench is not designed to test lenses that require power to maintain focus position, which FE lenses do. We’ve worked around that by making an electrically live mount, but the electronics block some of the test points at 20mm from the center (the right side of the graph). For that reason, the measurements at the edge have fewer measured points than the other points tested. Take them with a mild grain of salt.

Finally, one note about this test. We found that the 24-70mm f/2.8 GM lens performed best with 2mm of optical glass placed in the pathway, simulating the cover glass of a camera sensor. This is of NO significance to persons shooting with the lens, but I mention it for completeness sake. We check every lens we test with and without glass in the optical pathway and present the best MTF results.

MTF Tests

We tested 10 copies of the lens at 24mm, 35mm and 70mm focal lengths. I’ll print the results full size first because sometimes it’s hard to see the smaller comparison charts.

OlafOpticalTesting, 2016

OlafOpticalTesting, 2016

OlafOpticalTesting, 2016

OlafOpticalTesting, 2016

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OlafOpticalTesting, 2016

 

These are really impressive MTF curves with excellent resolution, but it’s always helpful to compare things a bit, so below are side-by-side comparisons with the Canon 24-70mm f/2.8 Mk II and Nikon 24-70 f/2.8 AF-S VR lenses.  First, we’ll compare the MTFs at 24mm.

OlafOpticalTesting, 2016

OlafOpticalTesting, 2016

 

I know the graphs are a bit small (click them for larger), but it should still be apparent that the Sony is at least as good as the other two lenses. It actually has the best center resolution, particularly at higher frequencies, which backs up Sony’s statement that this lens was designed with high-resolution sensors in mind. Off-axis, it maintains good sharpness to the edge of the field, although it does have a bit more astigmatism or lateral color (it’s not possible to differentiate the two on a single-aperture MTF test). All three of these are excellent lenses at 24mm. The Sony might be a hair better, but it’s a pretty minor hair.

The 70mm end of 24-70mm zooms tends to be the weaker end, so we’ll do the same comparison there.

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OlafOpticalTesting, 2016

 

None of these lenses are quite as strong at 70mm as they were at the wider portion of the zoom range. Again the Sony is at least as good as the others. It has, by a tiny hair the best center resolution, and while it isn’t quite as flat across the image as the Nikon, it is better in that regard than the Canon. It does have just a bit more astigmatism / lateral color on the MTF bench, though.

Fanboys can split hairs about which lens is best if they need to, but really all three of these are excellent lenses with only minor differences between them.

Copy-to-Copy Variation

This was the part of testing that I was most interested in since we’ve seen a few Sony FE lenses that had pretty large copy-to-copy variation. I’ll remind you again that the variance algorithms are different now, so for comparison, I’ve redone the variance graphs using the raw data from the Canon and Nikon 24-70 lenses, too. Both of them we consider pretty good, with a reasonable amount of variation for zoom lenses.

OlafOpticalTesting, 2016

OlafOpticalTesting, 2016

 

To my surprise and pleasure, the variation of the Sony G Master lenses at 24mm is at least as low as, and perhaps a bit better than, the Canon and Nikon zooms, both of which we consider good for zooms.

We knew that both the Canon and Nikon lenses had more variation at 70mm than at 24mm, so we expected the Sony would, too.

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OlafOpticalTesting.com

 

Like the Canon and Nikon, the Sony did have more variation at 70mm. But the Sony doesn’t worsen more than the others, they all end up fairly similar. As an aside, we also checked variance in the middle of the zoom range and the Sony was really quite good there. In other words, if your copy has problems, it will almost certainly be at 70mm, but if you buy a Sony 24-70mm f/2.8 you are no more likely to have an issue than you would with a Canon or Nikon.

Summary

When the Canon 24-70 f/2.8 Mk II came out a couple of years ago, I hailed it as dramatically better than what had ever been available in this range. Sony FE shooters now have it’s equal in a native-mount lens. Sure the fanboys can split hairs about this or that, but the differences in the lenses themselves are tiny. Of course, the proof is in the image, but early reports from reviewers seem to agree the new Sony performs just as well in the field as it does on the MTF bench. Well done, Sony!

 

Roger Cicala, Aaron Closz, and Brandon Dube

Lensrentals.com

April, 2016

 

 

 

Author: Roger Cicala

I’m Roger and I am the founder of Lensrentals.com. Hailed as one of the optic nerds here, I enjoy shooting collimated light through 30X microscope objectives in my spare time. When I do take real pictures I like using something different: a Medium format, or Pentax K1, or a Sony RX1R.

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  • Shark

    the problem is that sonys E mount sucks.
    it is to small to be optimal for a FF sensor.

    sony should show a good UWA around 11-12mm.

  • Shark

    what does that have to do with the lens?

    how often do you focus on the outer 15% of the frame?
    you sony fanboys are ridicolous… as if this is worth an additional 600 euro.

    grab a dual pixel canon and you can focus on any 80% of the frame.
    and you even have great autofocus when doing video.

  • Shark

    price? LOL

    street price 1699 euro for the canon….. 2399 for the sony.

  • Matt

    These aren’t Zeiss.

  • Nikoniser

    The elephant in the room is that once you put a speedlight and pro 2.8 lens on a Sony, its an ergonomic nightmare, it doesn’t balance and the grip is too small. This is not really news, we knew Sony would bring in decent quality lenses with Zeiss at a price premium, and they have done so.

  • speedy fisher

    >On the other hand, if I remember correctly the Canon was $2,000 when it was first released.

    As far as I can tell it was actually $2249 at launch.

  • Lee, I don’t disagree but Sony lenses have been having a price premium; it seems to be something we’ll have to live with for a while. On the other hand, if I remember correctly the Canon was $2,000 when it was first released.

  • Wesley, it’s possible in theory, but not practical for us. We’ve experimented that way but ‘shake’ is such a huge variable we’ve never figured out a consistent way to test this.

  • It is a bit. Very reassuring graphs for the Sony lens!

  • leh

    But it does deliver more… Can canon lens autofocus in a corner of the frame? Can it be stabilised like FE on A7II? There are some FE system mirrorless advantages that dslr’s doesn’t have.

  • speedy fisher

    All lenses cost more when they come out. That’s the same price the Canon was at launch, and in a few months they’ll end up the same price.

    And at these prices anyway, if you can’t afford one, you probably couldn’t afford the other either.

  • Lee

    For $400-$450 more, though, I think more than “at least as good as, maybe slightly better” is called for. :/

  • Doctor Nick

    Shouldn’t it be easier to design a better wide normal zoom lens when you don’t have to worry about clearing a mirror?

  • Wesley

    Do you have photo examples of sharpness? I can see that the Nikon has a larger drop in center sharpness than the other two & “mustache” style in 24mm sharpness & variance, if I’m using that term correctly. As a photographer, I can’t correlate the sharpness drop from a chart to a picture.

    Would it also be possible to create a Sony IBIS vs Nikon VR test of these lenses?

  • Tristan.W

    as for 70mm graph, looks like NIKON has better QC. Variation is smaller.

  • Thinkinginpictures

    Cool. Now back to shooting micro four thirds because I don’t care.

  • Brandon Dube

    There are ways to tell the axial color from the MTF, but they are rather convoluted and I would rather not get into them.

    The lateral color can be discerned from very closed aperture measurements of the MTF under polychromatic light; the nature of the tangential MTF drop will reveal, approximately, the lateral color. Lateral color by its definition does not impact the sagittal plane.

    The trioptics MTF bench does not use a point light source, but a “point like” source. For these tests, photopic light is used (~80% green, 10% red, 10% blue). This mimics the final sensor response to sunlight.

    I could write a blog post on something like this, but it would be uber nerdy but I’m a little short on time right now.

  • Bernhard Sedlmaier

    Looking forward to this. Thanks a million

  • Thanks guys, I appreciate the info! So it sounds like one may guess that there’s some form of lateral CA (but not longitudinal?) from a set of MTF curves, but you’d have to test for it directly to be sure?

  • “That’s roughly correct, but…”

    Well, yeah. This is a comment thread, not a white paper.Everything has a “but.”

  • For MTF higher is better, that’s the simple summary. Dotted and straight lines close together is also generally better.

    For Consistency, narrow bands of color mean all copies are pretty similar. Broad bands mean there’s more copy-to-copy variation.

  • Bernhard it will be out the day we get them.

  • Brandon Dube

    Average of n samples of the lens. All at the same aperture. All focused the same way.

    For the sony lens and most others n=10.

  • Brandon Dube

    That is roughly correct, but it is dangerous to associate aberrations with the MTF directly, without being quite well versed in both aberrations and MTF. Even having a complete series of tests from the full aperture to a very small aperture, one cannot say strictly what is limiting the performance, and usually it is a combination of things.

  • Brandon Dube

    We couldn’t tell you what the consistency number would be if we tried. The database is formatted differently to how it used to be, and the numbers are pulled from it differently too. It’d probably be in the range of 6~7 or so.

    The big takeaway is that on the wide end, they’re all about as good as each other at infinity. At the long end, Sony’s lens is a little bit better away from the center than Nikon’s, and noticeably better than Canon’s.

  • david

    Thanks for the test. Maybe I missed it, but what does average mtf mean? Average of several re-focusings, or average across all apertures? Or something else? I’d sure like to know what happens as this lens stops down….

  • l_d_allan

    Thanks for the very timely article. Many of us are looking forward to similar info about the GM 85 and GM 70-200. Also teardown[s] should be fascinating.

    I understand the reluctant to provide a single “figure of merit number” on consistency (aka variance, but with variance, seems like smaller numbers should be better). Would you be willing to divulge what the Consistency/Variance number would have been using the same procedure as the 4.7 received by the notorious FE 35 f1.4, and the 6.1 received by the FE 55 f1.8?

    Usually I’m not that bad on interpreting charts, but the MTF charts still come across to me as “a bunch of squiggly lines”, and the Consistency/Variance band’ing as even more so. I suppose with experience, you get some competence at reading them. I understand that “the higher the better”, and I think that the right side reflects the edges of the lens.

    Is there any way to be able to overlap the charts, a’la Photoshop layers with transparency?

  • Both astigmatism and lateral CA can appear in MTF graphs as the separation of the Tag and Sag lines. Know which is which requires more charts at different apertures.

  • Bernhard Sedlmaier

    Hi Roger. When do you think you will be able to test the 85mm GM? My lens is pretty awesome also compared to the now sold Canon L but there ist the thing with the lubricant inside the lens so I would be curious if you do a lens tear down to check the mechanics. Thanks a million for your effort. Greets from Bavaria. Bernhard

  • Roger, et al. you mentioned that the Sony has more lateral color on the bench than the Canon. How can you tell this by looking at the MTF graphs? The text seems to indicate that you use an aperture series?

    Thanks again for doing these tests and sharing the results!

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