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Lensrentals.com Reviews the Canon 5D Mark IV

Published September 29, 2016

Announced in the light of Photokina, came the continuation of the Canon 5d series with the latest from Canon, with the Canon 5d Mark IV. The announcement was met with mixed opinions, but like all camera announcements, there is no telling how great the system is until someone you trust gets their hands on the camera for themselves. Hopefully, here at Lensrentals.com, we’ve developed that relationship, and we’re here to test, and give a comprehensive review on the new flagship system from Canon – the Canon 5d Mark IV.

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And before we get into the review, I want to mention that this review is broken into two pieces – photo and video. Since the release of the Canon 5d Mark II, Canon has been adding more and more video functionalities into the 5D series. The Canon 5D Mark IV is no exception, allowing for 4K video to be shot at 30fps. However, I specialize in photo far more than video, so I’ve gotten colleague and video tech for Lensrentals.com – Ryan Hill – to write a video portion of the review. These reviews are written independently, as not to skew each other’s opinions, and then welded together through the power of proofreading. So if there are any repeating mentions of features, be patient with us, as we’re just trying to get you the best opinion available on the new system.

Photo Review

As a photographer, the simple announcement of the Canon 5D Mark IV got me excited. This camera has been speculated for years and the Canon 5d Mark III, released in March 2012, was overdue for an update. With a new sensor, new autofocusing system, and something called Dual Pixel RAW, Canon has seemed to refresh their favorite line with a bunch of nice upgrades for the working photographer. So let’s just right into the features.

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Features

The new camera comes with an extensive list of features that are new when compared to the Mark III. Most important is the 30mp sensor that is powered by a Digic 6+ processor, allowing for up to 7fps of shooting in both normal and silent mode. Additionally, the Canon 5D Mark IV has built-in GPS and Wifi, allowing you to geotag your images with precision, and enable you to wirelessly transfer the images to a computer, tablet or phone, to post while on the go. When testing the Wifi, I found that it worked great at an event, allowing for small jpeg previews to be sent to an iPad at pretty rapid pacing. While the tech isn’t quite there, I imagine tethering wirelessly on commercial shoots is only a few years away.

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It also sports a new autofocus system, which is compared to the Canon 1DX Mark II’s system, which I found to be incredible. My experiences with the system weren’t as elaborate as tracking fast moving objects, though I have no doubts that the camera would handle it with ease. Perhaps this itself is the biggest improvement over the Canon 5d Mark III. With each new system, Canon has managed to improve the focusing system, and this focus system might be the best in camera systems today. With an autofocus system that works exceptionally at tracking for both photo and video, it’s hard to believe that in a few years, this system will likely be obsolete. Like all new innovative technologies – I can’t see how this can be improved, but perhaps that is why I’m a consumer and not an engineer.

And the biggest announcement in the features came in the form of Dual Pixel RAW, which allows you to micro focus your images after the fact. In practicality, it’s brilliant. How often have you found that one winner in your frames, only to see that you have some slight back focusing? That said, it’s all theory now, as Adobe and Capture One have not added the feature into their RAW software, so the feature isn’t enabled unless you’re using Canon’s gaudy software. So while I wasn’t able to test this feature (yet), I’m looking forward to seeing how it works when it becomes more readily available.

However, I really think the biggest improvements come in the unspoken features – that may not be revolutionary, but allow for some neat little tricks that help you shoot faster, and more efficiently. Here are a few of my favorites.

 

The Unspoken Features

Much to my surprise, the Canon 5D Mark IV comes with a bunch of additional features that have been overshadowed by the announcement of the focusing system and Dual Pixel RAW. And sure, I get it, focusing is more important – but the little features are what made me fall in love with the camera. What are those features, let us just go down a list —

1. The focus-feature button
It allows you to switch focusing types quickly (from single point to cross point, etc, etc.).

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2. Hybrid-ish Viewfinder
The viewfinder allows you to add various pieces of information, from things as useless as battery power, to as useful as an electronic level built into the viewfinder.

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3. An Actual Useful Touch Screen
The touchscreen allows for a bunch of new controls, allowing you to focus, select images, zoom, and more. Up until now, Canon’s touchscreens on DSLRs have been pretty functionless by most people’s standards.
4. Quieter operation
If you’re coming from the Mark III, you’ll find the 5D Mark IV to be quite a bit more quiet, with it’s new(er) mirror box design

 

However, there are some downfalls with the system as well. Most notably, is the lack of CFast card slot on the system – extending the life of the Compact Flash slot for another generation. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t want to switch to new memory cards either, but CFast is exceptionally better than Compact Flash at its current state. While Compact Flash is (currently) limited to around 100MB/sec (averaged), CFast achieves speeds five times as fast. While that may not be important to a camera that shoots 7fps, it can be a huge advantage to those who need to upload images to their computers quickly…and can really speed up the workflow for those in fast pace environments.

 

Video Review

I took a support call a couple of weeks ago that came to mind a few times while I was testing the 5D Mark IV. A relatively inexperienced customer (late high school or early college if I had to guess) called in for help putting together a 5D Mark III package. He was shooting a short film and needed a viewfinder, a top handle, and an XLR adapter. After getting the 5D Mark III in his cart, I recommended a Zacuto Z-Finder, a Wooden Quick Kit (just the top section), and Beachtek DXA-SLR Pro. He was ready to place the order before I interjected. “You know, you’ve created a Canon C100 here. If you’re willing to switch cameras, you’ll have a simpler setup, dual pixel autofocus, better battery life, and two card slots. Plus, it’ll be cheaper.” He’d never considered a dedicated video camera because his teachers had all told him that the only affordable way to shoot high-quality video with a cinematic look on a budget was to use a DSLR. Seven years ago, they would’ve been right. The 5D Mark II revolutionized the video market in ways that are still being felt today. Whole companies (including Lensrentals) sprang up to support amateur filmmakers who, all of a sudden, had a way to capture video with shallow depth of field and high dynamic range without pawning all their worldly possessions.

Now, though, we have a few more options. You no longer have to cobble together a Frankenstein’s monster of third-party accessories just to make a DSLR usable. Cameras like the Canon C100, Sony PXW-FS5, and Panasonic AF100, will give you video at least as good as what you can get from a DSLR (better in most cases), plus XLR inputs, physical audio controls, viewfinders, unlimited clip length, etc. In short, they’re designed with video in mind from the outset, rather than it being a feature tacked-on to a camera intended for stills. As a videographer, this leaves me wondering where exactly the 5D Mark IV fits in my workflow. Given the specs, under what circumstances would I reach for this particular camera over the myriad other options available?

About those specs: first of all, yes, you can shoot 4K (8-bit 4:2:2) with the 5D Mark IV. However, you’re limited to 30p or below. 1080 will give you up to 60p, and, frustratingly, 120p is limited to 720 resolution. Also frustrating is the total lack of 4K output over HDMI. 4K recording is limited to a 1.74 crop which, in addition to making reframing necessary when switching from stills to 4K video, introduces some very noticeable rolling shutter issues. Without scientific testing, I’d say the rolling shutter is nearly as bad as it is on the A7S, which is the camera I use in the office when I’m demonstrating what a bad rolling shutter looks like. The 5D IV also lacks some major features I’d expect out of any modern video camera: No peaking, no zebras, no focus magnification while recording, and no log profile. Hopefully, some of this can be fixed through firmware updates or by the good people at Magic Lantern, but your $3,500 camera shouldn’t have to be improved by volunteers accepting bitcoin donations. Finally, regarding usability, the menu structure just isn’t designed for video. As always, audio controls are too hidden, but there are smaller annoyances that snuck up on me. For instance, you initiate 120p recording by selecting an “Enable” button in the “Recording Settings” menu. You end high-speed recording by navigating to the same menu and selecting “Disable.” After disabling 120p, does the 5D return you to the recording setting you were using, say 4K 24p? Nope. It goes back to the default (1080, 60i) every time, necessitating another dive into the menu structure to change back to your chosen settings. This had me cursing under my breath multiple times while surrounded by children and Knights of Columbus at a fair.

There are things to like here, though or at least a thing. The autofocus performance, as in the C300 Mark II, is awesome, and I mean that in a literal sense. It inspires awe. The touch screen, rather than being the useless gimmick I was expecting, became my tool of choice for controlling focus. Accurate face tracking allowed me to just point at the person or thing (it seemed to work just as well on dachshund faces) I wanted to keep in focus, and then just re-frame as needed. It almost never hunted or lost track of subjects. The only downside I could find is that it doesn’t work during high-speed recording.

So, back to the initial question, under what circumstances would I choose this camera over everything else in the Lensrentals inventory? To answer that, I have to first admit that a lot of my criticism above is unfair. I can’t very well complain about a lack of good video features because this isn’t a video camera. Both the millions of other amateur filmmakers and I brought up on the 5D Mark II need to remember that. Video cameras have things like XLR inputs, internal ND filters, and menu structures designed for video work. What it is is a still photography camera and a fantastic one at that. I do almost all of my still photography on a 5D Mark III, and that’s where the 5D Mark IV will fit for me. If something comes up while I’m shooting stills that I think I’d like to take a quick video clip of, then I’ll be happy I can do it in 4K. If video functionality is a priority in any way, I will go with a camera designed for video, and I’d recommend you do the same.

Below is some sample footage I shot with the Mark IV this weekend. Since C-Log is, unfortunately, absent, I shot everything with Technicolor’s Cinestyle Profile, which is available for free here. Everything was left ungraded, including stuff I exposed imperfectly. Unless otherwise noted, the day footage was shot at 400 ISO, and the night footage was shot at 800 ISO. If you have any questions, feel free to let me know in the comments.

 

Build Quality

If you haven’t looked at it yet, look at Roger’s teardown of the Canon 5d Mark IV system. As shown by him, the weather sealing has been improved, and subtle changes have made the Canon 5D Mark IV and upgrade from the previous models. When holding, the system feels very similar to the Mark III, giving you a robust build in a comfortable form factor.

Price

The Canon 5D Mark IV is available for purchase at $3,500, and available for rental for about $125 for a weekend rental. This price is what we’ve come to expect from a pro-level DSLR body of this caliber.

Does it Meet Expectations?

Heads up, here comes a short rant. Upon the announcement of this camera, it was instantly met with some harsh critics on the feature list of the system. People want a camera that can shoot medium format quality images, with the speed of a Canon 1DX Mark II, and the video functionalities of a RED Weapon – and they want the price to sit under $3,000. Sure, this camera doesn’t have anything and may not have pushed the bounds of the industry, but the Canon 5D series has never been about being revolutionary in features, but being revolutionary in practicality. The 5D Mark II came with video functionality, which set it apart from the competition – but it wasn’t perfect. You were limited to manual focus, and here even further limited to framerates and resolution. The Mark III introduced an useable focusing system (I kid, I kid), but improved on everything the Mark II had to offer, without overreaching with unusual or groundbreaking features. The Mark IV has taken every feature of the Mark III and improved it a little bit. It may not be completely cutting-edge, but they made an incredibly loved and capable camera even better on every single metric. People need to stop expecting the industry to evolve faster than it can. It’s already moving fast, and the Canon 5D Mark IV keeps pace with every single competitor in the DSLR field. It’s feature-full and practical – maybe not as revolutionary as the Sony a7 was to the mirrorless world, but it will certainly be the most used camera in the industry within a years time.

 What We Liked –

  • Dual Pixel RAW Looks to be an Incredible Feature
  • Lighting Fast Autofocusing for both Photo and Video
  • Wifi and GPS work great and have a lot of functionality
  • Image quality is great, and the additional resolution is a nice touch

What Could Be Improved –

  • It’s still a photo camera with video functionality
  • 4K is cropped to a 1.7x sensor
  • Still missing key features found on 3rd parties (in body stabilization for one)
  • No CFast slot (Compact Flash & SD Slots Only)

Summary

So is the Canon 5D Mark IV a worthy upgrade? Yes….yes it is. Canon managed to combine what we loved about the Canon 5d Mark III, and improved on it in every metric. The autofocus is better, the camera is faster, the video functionality has improved, the lowlight has been improved, and there are plenty of additional features to set it apart. The Canon 5d Mark IV is an exceptional camera and fixes a lot of practical issues I’ve had with previous models.

 

 

Zach Sutton & Ryan Hill

Lensrentals.com

Author: Zach Sutton

I’m Zach and I’m the editor and a frequent writer here at Lensrentals.com. I’m also a commercial beauty photographer in Los Angeles, CA, and offer educational workshops on photography and lighting all over North America.

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  • Andy

    Many thanks for this extensive review. It definitely helps to encourage myself to go for the 5D Mark IV: As a travel photographer working with the MKIII since 2012 I am really happy to read about all those improvements Canon introduced – especially in regards of the imrpoved dynamic range, the better autofocus and all those small features that will make my life easier. Can´t wait to work with this camera. Thanks again.

  • Ertan Ozturk

    Doug, show me a camera with all specs you have listed there.
    But the camera you’ll tell me should be rock solid with no hiccups or lockups, be fast to operate, will be ergonomic, will not make me have to carry 20 batteries, will be able to focus under very dim light, will not wait for 5 seconds to zoom 100% to the picture I’ve just taken, moisture/dust resistant (real resistance, so real that technical service will not argue “it’s user error” when water leaks in my camera), best-in-industry AF in video with touch focus, and will give excellent color right out of camera.
    OK I’m waiting here for your answer 🙂

  • Sator Photo

    If this comment is about Doug Laurent…don’t fret. He is a well known troll who goes on the same tiresome rants everywhere on the internet. He is infamous as a one of the shrillest trolls at the Canon Rumors forum. The most ridiculous thing on his wish lists is the one about focal length reducers/lens “speed boosters”. Doug thinks that Canon deserve to go bankrupt because they failed to please him by personally offering him the use of medium format lenses on full frame bodies. As if Canon are going to make a profit selling adapters to mount Hasselblad lenses on a 5DIV. Doug regards himself an “expert” because he has a small photography equipment hiring business, and wishes to impress his expertise upon us by screeching the same thing into our ears over and over again.

  • paul mcpherson

    As a Wedding photographer, this camera is the PERFECT solution. Been shooting mIII’s since they released. Finally got my hands a mIV. The low light sensitivity is freaking amazing. Slo mo is killer. 4K looks awesome even with the crop. The shutter, autofocus, speed and touch screen are incredible. For someone who is a hybrid wedding shooter, toggling between stills and video simultaneously it doesn’t get any better currently in the market. First video shot, both the mIII and mark4. All the slo mo was shot with the m4. https://vimeo.com/184722761. Body rented from Lens Rentals. 🙂

  • Jesse Lee

    Some of the things you listed above are either unimportant or trivial.

    -Articulating screen: Would be a bonus, but not “necessary” by any means
    -Silent photo: they already have a silent photo mode; not totally silent but I’ve not heard any complain about it being too loud
    -EVF: absolutely a personal preference, plus it eats up the battery like mad (my A7S2 doesn’t last long)
    -focus peaking, zebra, audio, thumbnails…: video features that a dominantly-photo camera doesn’t need; if you want such features, Canon has the C-series

    I could go on all day. I mean absolutely no disrespect and do not intend to start a war with anyone, I just think that the points you listed, while important to you, are non-starters for me. If wanted to shoot video, I would not buy this camera. That invalidates the majority of your points. Remember this is a photo camera with some video functions. Nikon equivalents have worse video options, whereas the Sony Alphas have great video but meh photo. Each brand has its strength. To fit everything into one body would cost too much to be practical. Just my $0.02. Peace.

  • Jo

    Yeah 5d4 is an improvement compared with 5d3. In Canon world it’s good enough, but in the real world these r only incremental improvement. whether Canon loyalist will accept it? leaving out cfast just crippled it on the video side.

  • Marcel van Leeuwen

    maybe you are the fanboy here? Maybe we don’t like the strong moire patterns? And the camera just CAN NOT focus in low light. Even with a fast 1.4 prime. That for me makes it a useless camera. And why are we comparing a Canon with a Nikon? When invested in a system it is a non issue.

  • Marcel van Leeuwen

    Why not try using one yourself? I find that in IQ and usability, the step between the 5D II and 5D III is just as great as with the III and IV. I shot ISO 6400 and 25600 and i could not tell a difference between the shots (well maybe a bit softer on the 25600, but not so much that i would care not to shoot it), except for the numbers on my screen. Most people said the same not so great stuff about the mark III, but after people using it, everyone agreed it was sooooooo much better.

  • tirmite

    Wow. There was a time when strangers were polite to each other. It’s called civility. The way people attack each other when only talking about cameras is incredible. Not shocking because I’ve come to expect it in today’s culture, but it is sad. Really sad. If disagreeing about camera features or sensor DR gets someone to act this nasty it’s no wonder people get killed due to road rage. There are a lot of “adults” here who really need to grow up.

  • Doug Laurent

    Hell no, NOBODY on the planet did rant about the 5D4 because anybody expected “a camera that can shoot medium format quality images, with the speed of a Canon 1DX Mark II, and the video functionalities of a RED Weapon”!

    People rant about the 5D4 because it doesn’t have many features that cheaper and older camera products of competitors offer, like:
    – Articulating screen
    – Silent Photo Shooting
    – EVF reviewing and filming
    – Sensor stabilization
    – Pixelshift
    – Focus Peaking
    – Zebra
    – Fully assignable buttons
    – Third wheel for ISO
    – APS-C Crop Lens compatibility
    – Speedbooster Option
    – App installation
    – Hot Shoe multi use for audio etc
    – Thumbnail Videos
    – Video Log/Raw Mode
    – 4K shooting in real Full Frame
    – 4K shooting in any zoom range between Full Frame and the middle 8 MP crop
    – 4K in 3840 width
    – 4K with efficient codec
    – HDMI out in 4K
    – 4K 60fps
    – 240fps Video
    – Focus stacking mode

    The worst thing is that Canon just did release their best flagship cameras with the 5D4 and 1DX2, that have to last until 2020 with a big gap in specs, as the follow ups of the 6D and 5DsR will hardly include anything of a long list of convenient and modern features. At the same time you can expect that Sony will come out with a new camera until 2017 that merges the best specs of the A99II and A7RII, who are both not having a nearly equally long list of missing features compared to the 5D4.

    The times have changed. In 2008 the 5D2 was alone on the market with its set of features and offered (unfortunately by chance it seems) more than people expected, which is why the feedback was 95% positive. Now we have 2016, and subjectively 50% of all people are disappointed about the 5D4, because Canon still acts as if they just have to be a bit better than Nikon and nothing else, like in the last decades.

  • Thank you for the insightful approach found in your review. Looking back at my MK3 purchase, it was the little things commonly not reviewed that made me feel great about buying it after the fact. Whatever the opposite of buyer’s-remorse is…that. It seems that those smaller touches will be as welcomed of an addition as the increase in image quality and AF system. Combining this review with some other notable articles, I am beginning to believe that Canon does intentionally hold-back on its improvements by designing 5D’s as “worthy upgrade{s}” instead of swinging for the fences. Thanks. -AmartinezPhotography

  • MS

    The link to the Sony 55 is incorrect.

  • Adam Sanford

    Carl, my apologies. I misread the reply.

  • mike921

    I own both the MK3 and the 1DX, I’m planning to upgrade the MK3 to the MK4 as I feel more has improved than the 1DX to 1DX2, maybe the next DX I’ll move up…. BTW, I don’t do video.

  • Scott

    You’d love the MKIV then. It’s like the Make III on steroids. And HGH. And that stuff they have Captain America.

  • Scott

    Actually, the MkIV sensor IS the flagship of the EOS linr with the best noise and DXO score, and in this game, it’s all about the sensor.

  • Ralph Hightower

    If I didn’t own the 5D III, this would be the camera that I would buy. Sure, there are incremental improvements. I would buy it for the improved autofocusing, expanded ISO, and GPS. A person mentioned to me around Memorial Day about upgrading his 5D II to a 5D III; I suggested that he hold off on the 5D III since the 5D IV was in the rumor mill at the time.
    The boost in FPS is a slight benefit Sure I covet the 1Dx II! When I was researching a DSLR to buy, I created a spreadsheet matrix of my current cameras and Canon models. My Canon A-1 and New F-1, with their respective motor drives shoot 6 FPS and also full frame; they don’t support autofocus. The 5D III in 2013 paired up with my film cameras.
    Do I need the blazing fast FPS of the 1Dx II all the time? No.
    The 5D is a great general purpose camera for me.

  • Carl Eberhart

    Adam, I was speaking to the twitter boy, not you…so yeah, get over yourself. I probably owned a 5D3 before you did. And I’m glad I sold it. No need to call me names. I have no problems with your original post, however the DR of the 5D4 is still lacking severely, if DXO is to be believed. It is basically tied with the 1DX2 (1/10 of an EV is essentially no difference)…so it’s nothing to brag about. It achieved a higher score than the 1DX2 simply because it out-pixeled it. That’s part of how DXO’s scoring “works”…emphasis on the quotes…:) #kneejerkmuch ?

  • Adam Sanford

    To both of you, I own a 5D3 and shoot with it all the time. I’m no Sony fanboy and I’m no mirrorless fanboy — I’m just into *facts*, and the story needed some corrections, that’s all.

    #trollmuch?

  • Carl Eberhart

    Back atcha…if you never leave your mom’s basement and get out and shoot with a real camera, then you have not much point at all, do you?

  • Carl Eberhart

    Why are you such a willfully ignorant fanboy? Is it because you are closed minded, young, or both? White balance is determined in post if you shoot RAW, but maybe your camera doesn’t shoot RAW? I guess that’s a good thing since you are so blind that you think a camera with the strongest AA filter in history, and fewer pixels, somehow has “better high ISO performance”…

  • Carl Eberhart

    Sorry I did watch both, why don’t you try watching both, and the ones after? He said the D5 was more “3D-ish”, and “I like it better”…so yeah…buzz off, come back without hiding behind an alias, or maybe just hold your tongue?

  • the_ownage

    you want a flippy screen too, huh!! Go get yourself a Sony, if you have not used the camera then your point is invalid.

  • the_ownage

    Kai never said he liked the D5, he was more interested on the D500, he liked the 1DX II better, try watching both videos.

  • the_ownage

    Why is a D810 a better buy with crappy AF, White Balance is off, better high ISO performance..

  • Carl Eberhart

    You make valid points, but I think video shooters are already using other cams, as Zach says. It’s not fair to compare a new camera’s price, to the price of other cams that have been out for 2 years or more. Intro prices are always higher. I am more bothered by the problems I point out in my post, than about price alone. The D750 has its problems and has their weak, old autofocus. It was intro’d at a very fair price, but none of the D800 or D600 series, were intro’d at a fair price. Only after time did their prices become more fair. I agree the 6D2 should be promising, unless of course Canon change their mind about taking it “upmarket” (presumably to compete closer to the D750). If they don’t take it upmarket, then it will keep the same crappy AF sensor, or at the very least will get the ancient one from the 7D and 70D. To take it “upmarket”, at a minimum it needs the 80D’s AF sensor, but I’m not holding my breath. Also, you may recall the intro price of the 6D was absurd, but no D750 existed back then in late 2012, and the D600 was also not good and overpriced…and the D800’s were bad. The D810 still seems superb to me, though…and yes…your strongest point of all…is also mine. The D810 is the better camera vs. the 5D4 overall, even at $3000 for the D810 vs. $3500 for the 5D4. But at $2700, or $2500 perhaps by the holidays (and $1800 for grey market D810’s?) Nikon is a screaming buy then, despite the fact they are the smaller company with crappy pro service vs. Canon…in my humble yada yada…

  • Carl Eberhart

    Yes, I am troubled by the lack of CFast, too…especially since it will be 2020 before this camera’s replacement comes out. Standard CF cards will be ancient by then. Half of us will almost be ready to live (and die quickly) on Mars by then, according to Elon Musk…

    So, basically this is a review of a stills camera that can shoot video, as done by a videographer. Ok. Zach admits the era of Canon DSLR’s as the most cost effective way to shoot high quality video, are long over…so why is he reviewing the camera? I understand if you wanted to lay out the minuses and the few pluses, but still…
    This review needed to be done by a stills expert, imo…

    So, to the stills photo experts, and/or Roger…can you PLEASE tell me why (just take an educated guess if nothing else)…DPReview’s test shots with this camera, when using their tool to compare to three other cameras, such as the Sony A7Rii, 5D3, and D810…(like if you scroll all over their test image and change ISO, which changes to the same ISO for all 4 cameras…very convenient…)…

    …Why the heck the output from the 5D4 looks so soft and lacking in contrast? It looks like the 5D4 has a MUCH stronger AA filter than the 5D3, and again the contrast loss…why? 5D4 has a bit less noise than 2 of the 3 others (A7Rii beats it)…but the detail via 5D4 is so blurred that you could get the same lower noise effect from either of the Exmor-stocked cams just by adding NR or otherwise softening the image. To me it looks like the D810, at least at ISO under say 3200…is very capable of equaling the noise vs. detail, from the 5D4. The A7Rii exceeds it, no big surprise there. The 5D3 can do neither but at least its apparent contrast matches the others, beating the 5D4. At very high ISO it all becomes moot anyway, so that’s why it makes the most sense to compare at useable ISO settings, to me.

    So what gives there? It almost looks like to me, that not only is the 5D4’s AA filter too strong, but also Canon has played with the in-camera processing a bit even for RAW, and added more NR than they should have…kind of like what Nikon seems to have done back with the D3S in the old days.

    And, is the autofocus that much better than the 5D3? How about than the 5DSR? It has the RGB light meter from the 7D2, which was somehow said to almost be perfect at autofocusing when it was first released. Is it not so great now?

    Sure Canon claims lower light sensitivity on the AF points, so does Nikon on their new AF sensor in D500 and D5. How do they compare with Canon? Kai at Digital Rev liked the D5 a bit better than the 1DX2.

    So why can’t you guys go for it? You have more toys than Kai does, show them off!
    I guess I want to see an AF test comparison done on your blog, between 5D4, 5D3, 5DSR, 1DX1 and 2, D4S, D5, D500, and D810. Mirrorless need not apply, let’s test real autofocus sensors while they still exist 🙂 !!

    You could just use the 70-200 f/2.8’s, since those supposedly autofocus the fastest, and it’s usually what everybody else uses when they do these comparisons.

    If you are too bored doing it in Memphis, you’re welcome to take them out in the desert and see which are the most impervious to dust at the same time…(lol sorry just joking, still can’t get over that poor D810 that went to “burning man”…should be called “dusty fanboy”…lol.)

    “Am I axxxing ‘to’ much”? Thanks for your time ladies and gents…and thanks SO MUCH for your work at Lensrentals !! Always entertaining stuff 🙂

  • Omesh Singh

    Dustin Abbott posted his low ISO dynamic range assessment today:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSeZwxRrf-4

  • Tom

    It is a very steady camera, for sure, but the price is very high indeed for the limited (if any real) benefits it brings over competition such as the D750 for stills and the deliberately crippled 4K codec. No camera can be evaluated independently from its price point and on that subject, I don’t understand what Canon is trying to achieve. It doesn’t provide ground breaking stills performance to justify double the price of a D750 (or 60% more than a D810) nor does it offer a compelling 4K platform. It’s neither fish, nor fowl and as a decent jack of all trades is priced inappropriately considering the competition. As The Camera Store says in their review, this camera will appeal to the Canon faithful and especially those upgrading from the 5D II and III, but its still an expensive pill to swallow. Maybe this is a genius plan from Canon, but I feel their aggressive protection of their cine line and their other models is not going to work in their favour in the long run. I suspect a lot of people who wanted a decent modern sensor with good DR for stills are just going to wait for the 6D II. Video shooters are probably wondering what on earth they will do…

  • Adam Sanford

    Thanks for the review! A few thoughts:

    1) The 5D4 is not remotely a flagship rig. Even though it may not be for everyone, the 1D line sits above the 5D w.r.t. stills and the Cinema line shows just how much Canon has nerfed the non-Cinema rigs for video. The 5D4 is a wonderful pro tool, but other than the DP RAW and -4 EV AF for LiveView (which are pretty specific things), there’s nothing about the 5D4 that it is best-at-*Canon*, let alone best-in-class.

    2) There is little that is truly hybrid about the VF. It’s an OVF chocked full of great stills info, but it won’t illuminate a dark room or show focus peaking or a histo in the VF.

    3) You drove right past the new sensor — easily the biggest improvement! If DXO is to be believed [cough / grumble], +2 stops of DR at Base ISO is a hallelujah moment for the Canon faithful.

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