Lenses and Optics

Variation Measurements for Telephoto Lenses

Published July 21, 2015

We’re nearing the end of the Varation series for prime lenses. If you are joining in late, you may want to go back to the original article for an introduction into the methods used. Today will look at the short telephoto group, lenses ranging in focal length from 85mm to 150mm. We’ve also included a summary table of all the lenses we’ve tested to date at the end of the article.

 

Today’s lenses are somewhat of older design, with several models released in the 1990s. The prices range from $400 to $4200. My own assumption (and we all know how well my assumptions usually turn out) was that these longer lenses would have less copy-to-copy variation than the wider focal lengths did.

MTF Curves of Telephoto Lenses

Ten copies of each lens were tested on our Trioptics Imagemaster Optical Bench using the standard protocol, which we described in the introductory blog post.  All lenses are tested at their widest apertures, so take that into consideration when comparing MTFs; stopping down a lens would improve its MTF, so consider that when you compare an f/1.8 lens to an f/2.8 lens or whatever. These are presented roughly in order of widest to longest.

Roger Cicala and Brandon Dube, Lensrentals.com, 2015

Roger Cicala and Brandon Dube, Lensrentals.com, 2015

Roger Cicala and Brandon Dube, Lensrentals.com, 2015
Roger Cicala and Brandon Dube, Lensrentals.com, 2015

 

Before you all go crazy over the Canon 85mm curves, remember that f/1.2 is significantly wider aperture than f/1.4. Also remember the Canon 85mm f/1.8 and 100mm f/2 lenses are ancient (1991-92) designs. The Nikon 85mm lenses are much more recent, released in 2010 and 2012 respectively and it shows in their resolution. They are excellent from center to edge. The Zeiss 85mm f/1.4 is particularly good in the center, where it has significantly higher resolution than even the Nikons, but not as good off axis. The 85mm f/1.4 Otus, of course, is just amazing optically, with easily the best resolution in the center and excellent resolution to the edges, although it does have significant astigmatism in the outer 1/3. The Rokinon 85mm f/1.4 shows again that Rokinon makes some lenses that are nearly as good as the brand-name lenses at very low prices.

I separated the MTF curves for the Macro and 135mm lenses, since they are really quite different beasts than the 85mm lenses.

Roger Cicala and Brandon Dube, Lensrentals.com, 2015
Roger Cicala and Brandon Dube, Lensrentals.com, 2015
Roger Cicala and Brandon Dube, Lensrentals.com, 2015

Looking at the 100 range Macro lenses, it’s apparent that the Nikon 105  f/2.8 VR Micro and Canon 100 f/2.8 Macro are excellent, but don’t resolve quite as well as the other two Macro lenses. This isn’t too surprising; they are both older designs. The amazing thing to me is just how excellent the Zeiss 100mm f/2 Makro Planar is; it compares very well with the new Canon 100mm f/2.8 IS L, even though the Zeiss is being tested at f/2 and the Canon at f/2.8. That is really amazing.

I would point out, though, that this is testing at infinity focusing distance. As we know, Macro lens performance can be quite different at macro shooting distances.

The Canon 135 f/2 L is a superb lens, one of my favorites. But there’s not much question if you don’t mind lugging around the weight, paying the price, and manually focusing, the Zeiss 135 f/2 gives you higher resolution except at the edge of the image.

Copy-to-Copy Variation

The simplest way to look at variation is with our Consistency number (for a complete discussion of how we arrive at the Consistency number, see this post). In summary, a higher consistency number means there is less copy-to-copy variation; the lens you buy is more likely to closely resemble the MTF average we presented above. In general, a score over 7 is excellent, a score from 6-7 good, 5-6 okay, 4-5 is a going to have significant copy-to-copy variation, and under 4 is a total crapshoot.

Our expectation was that the telephoto lenses would have less sample variation than the wide-angle lenses. Here are the variation graphs in the same order as the MTF charts above.

Roger Cicala and Brandon Dube, Lensrentals.com, 2015
Roger Cicala and Brandon Dube, Lensrentals.com, 2015

Roger Cicala and Brandon Dube, Lensrentals.com, 2015

Roger Cicala and Brandon Dube, Lensrentals.com, 2015

 

The most consistent of the 85mm lenses are the two Nikons along with the Zeiss Otus. The Canon 85 f/1.2 is, of course, an f/1.2. Its optical assembly is basically a single unit; no adjustments are possible as far as we know. The other two Canon lenses are much, much older design and probably designed more towards film tolerances, which would be less critical than that needed for digital sensors. Still, my theory that longer focal lengths would have less copy-to-copy variation takes a pretty big hit here.

Roger Cicala and Brandon Dube, Lensrentals.com, 2015
Roger Cicala and Brandon Dube, Lensrentals.com, 2015
Roger Cicala and Brandon Dube, Lensrentals.com, 2015

 

The longer focal lengths do seem to have less copy-to-copy variation. The older designs of the Canon 100mm f/2.8 Macro and Nikon 105 VR Macro aren’t quite as good as the others. The newer Canon 100mm f/2.8 IS L Macro and the Zeiss 100mm f/2 Makro are just excellent, with some of the highest Consistency numbers of any lenses. The 135mm lenses are also both very good, although the older Canon design isn’t as good as the new, and much more expensive, Zeiss 135mm Apo-Sonnar.

Updated Table

I’ve updated the sortable table of consistency scores by brand, focal length, and aperture and reproduced it below. If you want to look at the variables differently, you can click on any of the headings and sort things by that category.

Manufacturer Focal Length (mm) Aperture Consistency
Rokinon241.44.0
Nikon241.44.6
Sigma241.44.9
Canon Mk II241.46.3
Canon501.26.0
Canon501.45.5
Canon STM501.89.3
Nikon581.46.7
Nikon501.44.6
Nikon501.86.3
Zeiss501.46.1
Zeiss Makro5027.3
Zeiss Otus551.46.5
Sigma Art501.47.5
Rokinon501.44.0
Canon Mk II142.84.0
Rokinon142.84.0
Zeiss152.86.5
Zeiss183.56.1
Canon TS-E II243.55.3
Canon TS-E1744.9
Zeiss212.85.2
Zeiss2526.2
Canon IS242.85.9
Canon281.86.0
Canon IS282.89.3
Canon351.46.6
Canon IS3527.7
Nikon351.45.9
Nikon351.84.5
Zeiss351.45.7
Zeiss3526.4
Sigma Art351.45.1
Rokinon351.43.6
Canon851.25.9
Canon851.84.5
Rokinon851.44.2
Nikon851.47.4
Nikon851.88.1
Canon10023.6
Zeiss 851.45.3
Zeiss Otus851.47.8
Canon Macro1002.86.4
Canon Macro IS L1002.89.5
Nikon Micro VR1052.86.1
Zeiss Makro10029.3
Canon13527.0
Zeiss13528.8

Variation Sumary

I had planned another post showing good predictors of copy-to-copy variation with a bit more in-depth analysis. The truth is, the summary doesn’t require another post. There are some trends, but nothing that serves as a nice, general, overall predictor of which lenses have little copy-to-copy variation. There are a few things worth noting though.

I hate to get into brands because it makes the fanboys go insane, but there are a couple of trends that are pretty obvious when you sort the table above. Zeiss lenses overall do better than the others; no Zeiss lens falls below “5” on our scale, and the vast majority are over “6”. Canon’s newer lenses are also superb, with very high consistency scores, and several of these are of the reasonably priced variety. Rokinon lenses are at the lower end of the consistency scores, which is entirely understandable. These are superb optics made at an amazingly low price. Achieving that low price means not having adjustable optics and taking some cost saving measures. They’re still awesome bargains and I shoot several of them myself. Copy-to-copy variation is pretty understandable at that price.

Second, it seems we probably should put an ‘aperture adjustment’ constant in our formula, or at least emphasize more that wider aperture is going to have more variation. The trend isn’t very strong, but there is some correlation that f/1.4 lenses have more variation than f/2 or f/2.8 lenses. Before we decide why that might be, though, we need to look at variation of a group of f/1.4 lenses as we stop them down. I don’t know how much of the variation is from shooting at a wider aperture itself and how much is the more complex design required to get a lens to that wide aperture. I suspect it’s a design thing, though, because some wide-aperture lenses have very little variation.

My theory that longer focal lengths have less variation than wide-angle lenses wasn’t nearly as important as I thought.  There’s a little trend that way (the trend line in the graph below is Excel’s default linear trend), but it’s not all that impressive.

 

The most favorite internet theory, that more expensive lenses have some magic ‘quality control’ that eliminates variation, is totally untrue. The trend line for that is just about flat. If you’re surprised don’t be. Money goes into multiple elements, more expensive glass, and complex designs. The lenses get made in the same factory, generally, and tested with the same equipment as that company’s other lenses. Actually, the QA probably has to be a bit better just to keep the variation the same. More complex lenses, designed to tighter tolerances, will normally have more variation, not less. Tighter QC is probably needed just to keep variation the same.

 

Overall, year of design didn’t have a lot of impact either. But we did see that new Canon lenses seem to be doing much better. When you sort the table above, it’s clear that there are several new Canon designs at the top of the consistency scores. We’ve also been noting for several years the increased modularity in Canon’s lens designs when we do lens teardowns. I suspect the two trends are related.

 

But at this time, there’s not much that can be done to predict how consistent the copy-to-copy variation in a given lens will be. We’ll just have to keep testing it.

 

Roger Cicala and Brandon Dube

Lensrentals.com

July 2015

ADDENDUM

Our MTF and Consistency graphs are now available in a comparison tool at The Digital Picture. You can use their lens comparison tool to compare any two lenses that we’ve done, and will update their site as we do more. I think this is amazingly useful compared to searching through our blog posts to find what you are looking for. We appreciate Bryan and the staff at TDP for doing all the heavy lifting to make this possible.

Author: Roger Cicala

I’m Roger and I am the founder of Lensrentals.com. Hailed as one of the optic nerds here, I enjoy shooting collimated light through 30X microscope objectives in my spare time. When I do take real pictures I like using something different: a Medium format, or Pentax K1, or a Sony RX1R.

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  • Florian

    Thank you for making these measurements available to the public.
    I hope that you will be able to get the Sony Lenses to work soon.
    Is there a good reason for not including Leica M or Zeiss Loxia Lenses in the test? A direct comparison between Mirrorless- and DSLR- Lenses would be very interesting.

  • Hmm, I answered my own question: it seems vignetting improves MTF readings: http://www.edmundoptics.com/technical-resources-center/imaging/sensor-relative-illumination-roll-off-and-vignetting/

    Also, I confused the sagittal and tangential lines here, being used to solid lines being sagittal. Oh well, back to the drawing board.

  • Roger Cicala

    Jim, sorry, miscorrected that. Fixed now.

  • Jim Thomson

    Which Zeiss lens is less than “5” ?

  • JGro

    I totally love this entire project of yours, kudos!
    I’m also happy to see that with the EF100L 2.8 IS one of my favourite and most used lenses is doing so well.
    Do you have any explanation for the quite significant difference between the Canon 85 1.8 and the 100 2.0? I always thought they were rather similar designs (and I am under the impression that the 100 2.0 is in general more highly regarded, in particular with less purple fringing).

  • Roger Cicala

    winc06, of course, on both points, constantly. One of the reasons for moving to an optical bench was consistency – target analysis like Imatest varies 3-4% with same sample, while the optical bench is around 1%.

  • winc06

    Have you ever tested the same lens multiple times to check the consistency of your methods? And if you have done that do you have routine checks to make sure that everything is operating up to standard before a test like this?

  • SSL

    Thank you guys for confirming what my Master taught me 40 years ago:
    For the same focal length, a brighter lens of one stop costing roughly double.
    The money goes to higher material cost but more likely due to the tighter tolerance.
    Your tests added one more element of modern design and manufacturing.
    Great work!

  • Roger Cicala

    nhz,

    We screen all new lenses on intake, and reject about 2 to 2.5% of them. The remainder go into stock and are retested after every rental. If they change optically, they are either readjusted by us or sent to the manufacturer if we can’t do it. Or both. The lenses tested in this series are not new in box, but all are recent purchases, less than 6 months old, have been repetitively tested. The data is, obviously, skewed because we’ve constantly screened out bad copies or changed copies.

    In addition, we’ve previously done pretty large series comparing new in box lenses with lenses at various durations of their rental life and not seen any significant changes except in a couple of zoom lenses, none of which are included in this test series.

    Roger

  • nhz

    First of all thanks for your efforts, very interesting topic 🙂

    I’m wondering about a factor that could be skewing the variation measurements and didn’t really see it mentioned in the first article or this one, although maybe indirectly. Sorry if I overlooked something.

    Do you take measurements from newly purchased lenses only, or do you just take lenses from your rental inventory? Some lenses may have been used/abused for years (even though you probably service them for more obvious problems). And possibly some older lenses have had some minor changes in mechanics and optics over the years that could influence variation in optical performance.

    Is there any ‘reference’ for how much the performance changes when a lens is used frequently (I guess primes change less than zooms but who knows …).

    Most of the very high performers in this group (and many of those in earlier comparisons) are very recent lenses. Part of the explanation will be improved optics and manufacturing tolerances, but maybe it is also because they are all ‘just from the assembly line’?

  • Martin_MM

    Roger, thank you for putting so much effort into this article and for publishing it openly. I have to say again that amongst all the lens-related websites, it is your blog that I come to read regularly and then go back more enlightened, amused and eager for more next time :-). Thanks a lot again!

  • ARPL

    I own, for instance, the EF 85mm f 1.2 version II.

    From my understanding’ , I guess the Nikon’s graph looks by far the best.
    Somewhat right with my understanding ?

    However, would, for instance f.4 or f 5.6, not be moore/better telling ?
    (when regarding this point.)
    I mean, the widest apperture shurly is most likly to be least represenative of what it’s “average apperture” will be. No ?

  • Roger Cicala

    Carol, Sony’s mirrorless lenses are electromechanical, meaning they can’t be focused unless attached to a camera. Until we can make an electronic mount for them in the optical bench we can’t test them. We’re working on that actually, but it’s a lot of engineering.

  • Another question or perhaps speculation: how much of the Zeiss 2/135 and 85 Otus’s edge drop-off might be due to their strong vignetting? I’d guess that vignetting would reduce contrast, especially since these lenses are measured wide open where vignetting is at its worst. And perhaps another clue is that it’s their sagittal MTF that drops off rather than the tangential numbers, and vignetting tends to be a sagittal issue (ie. it changes intensity based on radial distance).

  • Carol Teater

    Would be nice to see some mirrorless systems evaluated, especially m4/3, hint, hint…at the least, Sony FE, since they also are 35mm lenses, and compete with the ones covered in this series.

  • Brandon, understood. I’ll try to work from the graphs.

  • Brandon

    Andre,

    A better question for Roger, but all but certainly not. OLAF has 3 key assets – access to more lenses than anyone else, some rare test equipment, and a 100,000+ measurement database. Giving away the database does not make business sense.

    Best,
    Brandon

  • Thanks for the explanation Brandon! One more question: will you guys offer the raw test data, so that we can compute our own metrics?

  • Randy

    I would argue that the lenses with the greatest consistency are effectively a better value since a lot of consumers don’t have the time/patience/ability/access to test multiple lenses.

    Also, my observation over the years has been that if you have a lens that’s exceptional (even if it’s not supposed to be) hang on to it, because the improved, updated replacement may not be as good.

  • Brandon

    Andre,

    The consistency score contains a slight modification in favor of lower res lenses. Essentially the higher res lenses have their score weighted down about 5-10% by a formula. The “Absolute variance” can be obtained from the graphs, which plot a fixed +/- 1.5 standard deviations.

    It makes more sense to us to use a relative score metric, since a difference of 20% at an MTF of 0.7 is entirely invisible, while a difference of 20% at an MTF of 0.3 is extremely obvious.

    All the best,
    Brandon

  • Brandon

    Anton,

    The formula for the consistency score is in the introductory blog post to this. The average formula simply works like this:

    IH = -20 -18 -16 -14 -12 -10 -8 -6 -4 -2 0
    MTF= xxx xxx xxx xxx xxx xxx xxx xxx xxx xxx xxx
    MeanMTF = Mean(MTF) i.e average center-to-corner
    This is done in each of the sagittal and tangential planes separately.

    The average MTF itself has no direct value and requires that I re-calculate each model individually, so I will not post it. Lots of lenses to test and software to write on my end…

    Best,
    Brandon

  • Great work guys!

    What do you think about making your consistency score more independent of lens resolution? The subtext of the current consistency score is: what lens is likely to give me higher resolution. I guess that’s useful, but when I look at the consistency graphs (and not just the number), I am trying to figure out what lens will have a higher chance of resembling the sample that was measured or reviewed.

    That’s a useful thing to know, because if you like what you read in a review (and this includes the subjective comments), then it’s good to know how likely you are to have a similar experience as the reviewer.

    Separate consistency scores for center and corners might an interesting thing to compute as well. Perhaps break it up along the DX/APS-C boundaries.

  • Brandon,

    Could you please post average MTFs for all of the lenses and the formula for calculating?

    What about omitting the Canon data from the lens year data ?

  • Brandon

    Anton,

    The average MTF of the Otus is much higher (0.6774 vs .5306). The average standard deviation of the two is very similar, which is reflected in the plots which show absolute variance. The score itself is relative, favoring higher resolution lenses.

    Regards,
    Brandon

  • James Thomson

    “only one Zeiss falls below “6” on our scale”
    Zeiss 21 2.8 5.2
    Zeiss 85 1.4 5.3
    Zeiss 35 1.4 5.7

    Needs some proof reading 🙂

    Link-up with TDP is great. Really makes the data much more useable. Looking forward to your future posts.

    Could you include the year of release in the next summary table? It would be interesting to see how the various manufactures are changing with time.

  • Lens Variance by Release Year

    If you pull out the Canon data do you see a flatish linear trend line ?

    The Zeiss 85mm’s make for a good apples to apples comparison – “made in the same factory by the same people” but why is the Otus consistency score 47.2% above the ZE?

  • Brandon

    CarVac,

    Like the Nikon 20mm f/1.8 from the last batch, LensRentals carries very little stock of that model. While there are enough, that model is more of a long term project.

    Regards,
    Brandon

  • CarVac

    No Sigma 85/1.4?

    Do you not have enough copies?

  • Brandon

    Larry,

    Any variance is caused by a decenter or tilt in each lens assembly. While no copy is every 100% the nominal design, if a lens scores over 6-6.5 or so, pretty much all copies are very close.

    A decenter will cause coma in the middle of the image that will grow towards the edges. How it balances with the other aberrations in the lens is a question for each individual model.

    Regards,
    Brandon

  • Larry

    When looking at the variability of a lens design, is it the case where if the lens has higher than average scores in the center it will have lower than average scores at the edges, or are the better lens samples equally better across the whole image? is there a pattern?

    I guess another way of looking at this is what causes the most variability? Is it decentered elements or something else?

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